How do you rate the trainer Don Turner?

that’s all more constructive pad work than what I was referring to, but there are other types of padwork. I was mentioning the type of “pattercake-pattercake bakers man” stuff that mayweather made popular. We don’t know if Turner was referring to all padwork or types of padwork. Obviously sparring is more important than pad work.

 

Very imaginative.lol

 

I watched the vid - the fact that Turner is immediately incorrect with where to hold the pads seems to indicate he was just one of those guys that cannot grasp pad work thus dismisses it.

Turner tries to get the other gent to simulate holding the pads ridiculously wide to try and make his point - no experienced pad holder is going to hold them in such a silly manner.

 

Turner is starting to seem like a wannabee.

 

There is an element of that about all of the famous trainers. They all talk themselves up. What they bring to the table is experience. Big fight experience. The experience of being around all of the B.S that goes on. The pressure. Staying calm. Much of it is personality and temperament. I remember Ray Leonard saying Angelo Dundee was not especially the best trainer in regards to what he could teach but said that he was worth having around because he was able to say what was needed to be said and the time you needed to hear it. The whole thing is not rocket science. And it is probably why boxers experiment so much. I won’t knock any of the top trainers. They are in a very competitive industry where it is difficult to stand out.

 

You deffo consider Turner a top trainer?

 

The obvious response is pad work didn't really become part of training until the 50's when Charlie Goldman,
whom Turner says was his first trainer introduced it, see my photo in the above posts.
Having answered that I'll ask a question in return.
Q,If pad work was practised in the 30's and 40's do you think those you mentioned would have employed it in their training regimes or not?
As Pira has pointed out the other trainer in the clip was asked by Turner to hold his hands out ridiculously wide.

This was so Turner could then say ,after you throw the left hook you're not in position to follow up with the right hand,the other trainer tried to correct him and point this out but he was having none of it.
Here is an analogy, when I first began travelling everyone took a heavy suitcase with a handle on the top, the suitcase then had to be carried by hand everywhere, the weight being born by the arm carrying the case.

Now everybody has a case with wheels on it and an extending/retractable handle so the weight is on the wheels and even old and infirm people and children can transport their luggage with the minimum of difficulty.
Is this an improvement on the old way or not?

To some people everything that is modern is cr*p and everything that was in the past was great.
There is also an element with some of ,"if I didn't think of it ,it can't be any good and must be bull sh*t "

You made this thread and I've replied to it because we both know it was principally aimed at me.

I've asked about 20 questions concerning Mr Turner and have yet to get a reply on any of them.
You know the ones.
When did he train
Vitali Klitskho?
Wladimir Klitskho ?
Aaron Pryor?
Mike McCallum?
Vasyl Lomachenko?
Where can I see him in the corner of these boxers?
In which fights?
Is the shoulder roll bullsh*t as he says?
Is pad work bullsh*t?
If padwork is indeed bullsh*t why did/do so many top trainers use it?
Is size unimportant?
Mayweather can't punch?
Was Salvador Sanchez and ordinary fighter?
Was Miguel Barrera and ordinary fighter?
Ward was an ordinary fighter?
Fighters can't change the way they fight?
Would Floyd Mayweather Jnr be just a preliminary 6 round fighter in back in the 50's?
Did Holyfield adding 20lbs to compete with the bigger guys help him or not, because Turner says no?
Is the role of a cut man in a corner just a bull sh*t scam and an unnecessary expense?
When does Turner say he saw Marciano fight in the flesh?
Does he in fact actually claim that or is he going on film and gym stories and his reply been misconstrued?
There are more questions but I think these will do for now.

Since you haven't replied to any of these , I can therefore only draw the conclusion that :

1.You don't have any answers to my questions!
2.You have/know the answers but to give them would not be putting Mr Turner /or yourself ,[since you have championed him in the past,]in a positive light and therefore you have settled on silence.

Mr Turner is entitled to his opinions , he was a pro boxer himself and that must be respected.
I have no idea what sort of a trainer he is ,I know he was only an assistant trainer for the second Kovalev fight which could mean a multitude of things including bucket carrier ,and that he only trained Kovalev for his first 10 fights ,that he was fired by Grant,Kovalev,which may reflect more on them than himself, and he was let go by Holyfield.
At the point he worked with Holmes and Holyfield they were 45,and 34 respectively,in other words made fighters and as such what did they require in a corner apart from someone to rinse their mouthpiece and towel them off?

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Ever hear of or see Eddie Futch big himself up or put down others training methods? How about Freddie Roach?

 

Sure, why not? He’s stuck around a while now. He’s not a flash in the pan is he? Not like some trainers are. Remember that bloke who trained left hook Lacy? You never hear of him now. Enzo Calzaghe? Buddy McGurt. Ritchie Woodhalls Dad.. a lot of trainers come and go at the top end of the sport. Then there are ones that kind of stay in demand. Don Turner is one of the ones who has stayed popular within the top end of Boxing.

 

You made a statement see below ,I asked you for proof that there is some substance to it? You refuse to answer.

"He has trained over 20 world champions."

Including:
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
Wladmir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Vasyl Lomachenko
Aaron Pryor
Michael Grant
Mike McCallum
Sergei Kovalev

I asked you
When he trained the Klitschko's , Lomachenko,McCallum,Pryor?
In which fights of theirs can I see him in the corner?
All I've got from you in reply is a lot silence and a bit of obfuscation.
I operate on the premise that ,if I make a statement on a forum someone is likely to want me to provide proof of my words.
That's all I'm asking from you!

YOU made this thread, one presumes you did so to encourage discussion about the subject,where is your discussion? Where is your input on your own thread?
Now you are complaining because I have asked relevant and pertinent questions which you cannot answer,
and discussing the subject you wanted discussed
Have you any idea how ridiculous this makes you appear?

I haven't said ,"answer my questions or else" I merely posed some rather obvious ones considering there is a marked paucity of evidence to back up your claims. Whether you leave this forum or not doesn't mean sh*t to me I've been privately informed by a couple of posters of your efforts to get me booted,now your acting like the little boy who finding the game going against him , spits out his dummy ,saying I'm taking my ball and going home!

 

The relevance of Goldman being the trainer credited with the innovation of pad work is that Turner says Goldman was his first trainer and Turner states pad work is bullsh*t which seems to be his favourite term concerning other trainers methods.
I haven't criticized Turner, or offered an opinion as to his abilities. I've merely asked for some proof of them.
Finding unknowns Turner has worked with isn't necessary, we have enough problems trying to find solid evidence of famous names he says he has trained!
I'm not in a war with anyone, least of all some lad with emotional problems who is the same age as some of my grandchildren!
I get no stress or heartache here, and I'm not the one whingeing,you are!