When did Tyson's prime end?

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  1. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's a bit of a debate on when Tyson was past his prime. Was it after he came back from prison? Was it after being upset by Douglas? Or was he already past it by the time he fought Douglas?
     
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    In my mind, it ended when he went to prison. He was still a capable top level athlete before prison. Where I think the debate tends to enter the equation is the fact that Tyson sometimes ran hot and cold, and wasn't consistently disciplined and focused.
     
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  3. Threetime no1

    Threetime no1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. Rooney not training him was bad for him as fighter but he was still young and in his physical prime up until 92 and prison.
     
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  4. jyeahfosho

    jyeahfosho mrtechnicalboxer Full Member

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    Tbh I think that as soon as Cus Damato died, he started slowly declining. Along with leaving Kevin Rooney and going to prison. True Shame and one of the greatest 'what could have been' in boxing
     
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  5. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    D'amato died 11 fights into Tyson's career.
     
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  6. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    When he had to go to prison... But since 1989 against bruno he looked worse and he got hurt for first time in his career.
     
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  7. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lol yes. Before of the berbick fight
     
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  8. jyeahfosho

    jyeahfosho mrtechnicalboxer Full Member

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    Yes, very early, but imagine he didn't and stayed with Mike.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Rooney and D`Amato were everything to Tyson`s career, he just didn`t do the same things after Rooney was sacked, less head movement, less combo`s he just became a plodding big puncher who only sometimes did things he did in the past but he wasn`t as quick, his hand speed up to and during the Spinks fight was incredible, he was awful in his next fight and his body work was missing for large parts against Bruno, his body looked like it lacked vim also, he needed Rooney to relax him and keep him focused.
     
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    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When Spinks hit the canvas for the last time.
     
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  12. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In boxing terms prime is mind, body and soul to all working together......he was starting to dip before Douglas in interest, habits and dedication when he got with Robin Givens he started Douglas caught him....he never really came all the way back
     
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  13. Grapefruit

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    I think that the Douglass fight was a fluke, Tyson had started drinking heavily and not training as hard during that time, I'd agree with what razor ruddock said about this though and that is after his 2 fights with Tyson he was never the same level of fighter again, and he thinks Tyson wasn't either. That was a big decline in Tyson but especially when he went to prison, he still had power but his speed, feet, and especially his ability to dodge was never the same. Then his ability to take punches went out the door when he became a full blown alcoholic and junkie.
    By the time he fought lennox Lewis he was a far gone shell of himself
     
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  14. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Tyson didn't prepare for the Douglas fight, that's on him. He even admitted he barely trained for that fight.
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't necessarily disagree with this. But what does that say in terms of boxers who were inconsistent? Ran hot and cold? Sometimes their hearts were 100% all in, and other times they overlooked and/or underestimated certain opponents? In such instances, body, mind, and soul may not be in perfect unison, but it still happens to many great boxers during their prime stretches.
     
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