Carl Froch

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  1. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hatton went life and death with Collazo and Urango..

    Going into the Bute fight the talk was that Froch would have to retire if he lost. Bute was a heavy favourite. Froch destroyed him.

    Love both fighters as someone else said Hatton has the better win, but Froch has a bigger list of names and viable fights if that makes sense.
     
  2. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Phillips years past his best - a solid test for a young hatton
    Tackie teak tuff but no world beater
    Oliveria - way past his best only beating fringe fighters in a few fights before hatton faced him
    Kosta - on the slide maybe but had won previously in style a great win.
    Maussa - Good win, champion but once Hatton unraveled him didnt do much else. Hard to fault Hatton for taking this one
    Collazo awkward fight could be argued Hatton lost and was holding on for dear life at times good win
    Urango - another awkward one not a great performance but a good win
    Castillo - past his best although a good performance Hatton was alwasy going to win
    Floyd enough said
    Lazcano - coming off a loss. hadn't fought in a year
    Paulie - good win
    Pac nuff said.

    For me Hatton wasted too many of his up and coming years around the time he beat Tackie he was ready for world level then. I know he was supposed to fight Kelson Pinto which would have been a better fight than I think Stewart who stepped in but even so Hatton had a few too many fights against guys who had seen better days. There's 4 on that list alone. Froch doesn't have that so much that's why i think Froch's resume is better
     
  3. Odins beard

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    He never went life and death with Urango at all, he won 119-109 on every card and that was with the flu iirc.
     
  4. Odins beard

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    Stewart had just gone 12 with Mitchell, the fact Hatton ran right through him was a much more emphatic fight and performance and it showed where he was in the world level.

    Pinto had beaten Augustus that is all and then went on to get stopped off Phillips post Cotto....I don't see how Pinto would of been a better name or fight.
     
  5. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow he went 12 and he still lost. His other best win is past prime Robinson. Was Stewart a late replacement as well, sorry I dont see it as a great win. Its not better than anything on Froch's list which is where this started.

    Your correct about Urango i remember Hatton struggling in that fight but the cards were wide.
     
  6. moog

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    Good Post, totally agree m8.
     
  7. Odins beard

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    Who ever said it was a great win? But he's a hell of a lot better than Pinto.

    It's a win over a solid opponent, Hatton's run from Tszyu to Pacquaio is as good as Froch's run.

    As you are obviously a Froch fan I'd love to know what makes Dirrell such a great win?

    What exactly has Dirrell done to warrant this great win status?
     
  8. nurological

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    I can' stand Carl Froch as a pundit or as a person but he was great to watch as a boxer. Went to a few of his fights down the years and don' see how anybody can belittle his achievements.

    He did it all the hard way and fair play to him. Rare thing to see somebody with run if fights like that in the modern era.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Carl Froch had some good wins but was never the top boxer in his weight class.
    I think Andre Ward is grossly overrated so I'm definitely going to agree that Froch is.

    Froch may be equal with Kessler, but that's it.
     
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  10. Gymbot

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    I was a BIG Hatton fan. More than you will know. I was at a lot of those fights. The sad thing is, Hatton wasted his best years defending the WBU title under Frank Warren. So yes it has everything to do with Hatton’s resume, particularly at 140. The fact he didn’t fight Witter or Cotto was a travesty. His fanbase was extremely frustrated for many years. Tszyu was arguably the only consensus top 10 operator he had faced at that point (after 38 fights). The best thing Hatton did was to leave Warren where he could freely travel and build his profile in the US. Sadly, he was already past his best at that point. The years of partying and blowing up between fights were already taking their toll. Froch fought top 10 guys one after the other with no let up. He made the best of his talents. Hatton IMHO didn’t and instead chased the big money fights at 147 rather than cementing his legacy at 140.
     
  11. ashishwarrior

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    Sorry but you Barton fans need accept the reality of the whole careers of both
    One was a brash , jack the lad football fan definitely not shy from the lime light with a solid family unit supporting them a promoter who made you his number one boy
    Carefully managed fight guided boxer from a great sporting city

    Then you have a shy quiet who ain't at all confident in ones own abilities who is the runt of the litter in his own family who turns pro late with a **** promoter although I like fat mick
    Who as to take the domestic path whos style gets scrutinised and as to travel gets no real comforts nor advantages and under no certain terms would hide behind the excuse of another fellow professional from earning good money why because he ain't a spiteful man and let's his fist do the talking
     
  12. Odins beard

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    Well he still had a solid resume and as ive already pointed out that from beating Tszyu he went onto face

    Maussa
    Collazo
    Urango
    Castillo
    Mayweather
    Lazcano
    Malignaggi
    Pacquiao

    All the fighters where either current champions or top 10 ranked and he went 1-2 against P4P top 1 or 2 fighters.....where was Hatton's let up once he became "the man"?

    That's a solid run that easily matches Froch's.

    Also by the time Hatton had cracked the US Witter was still fighting African farm hands and when he finally stepped up he got slapped down by Bradley and Alexander.

    And for the record I'm not or was not a fan of either Froch or Hatton.
     
  13. zulander

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    I like both Hatton and Froch - im from Manchester so it is fairly obvious who my favourite fighter is. Your trying to argue a guy whos best effort is going 12 round against Mitchell is better than Froch's wins!

    Maussa
    Collazo
    Urango
    all solid

    Castillo was well past prime

    May
    Paulie
    Pac all good fights as well

    And how can anyone seriously judge Lazcano as a decent fight?? It was meant to be a comeback gimme on home soil... Against a fighter who hadn't fought in an age

    Dirrell held a couple of version of world titles after Froch, had decent wins over the likes of Hamshaw and Stephens and was undefeated and active.

    anway we disagree so bowing out now
     
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  14. Odins beard

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    I suggest firstly reply to me in the correct manner instead of trying to sneak posts in.

    Secondly I suggest you re read what I put, not once have I said Stewart was better than Froch's eventual run when he hit top level.....not once have I said that unless you can prove otherwise.

    You know Froch got lucky against Taylor some could say,
    Lost to past prime Kessler,
    Arguably lost to Dirrell after getting wobbled,
    Squeezed past an ancient Johnson via MD,
    Got dominated by Ward

    See we can all do this, both have solid runs at top level but you talk like what Froch did was unprecedented.

    But get back to me where I said Stewart was better than Froch's opposition.
     
  15. moog

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    I think Froch had the better career. I actually think Collazo beat Hatton, I gave him it by 1 round personally. One thing it showed though Ricky was not a WW. He was so much better at LWW.