Froch lost a razor tight decision in Denmark to Kessler after being told fight was off. He then best the same fighter st home with a bit to spare. He list go the great Andre Ward on points fair and square. He beat everyone else, so had a terrific career.
Again I've never disputed otherwise, only that Hatton himself had a solid run aswell. Whilst both have resumes to be proud of Hatton has the better win in Tszyu and only lost to 2 fighters who where 1 or 2 P4P at the time. As for Froch he lost to an old or older version of Kessler and Ward but he also arguably lost against Dirrell and Taylor and Johnson gave him hell.
Having trouble with quotes for some reason: U included Stewart in a run of why Hatton opponents matched Froch's.. I've shown you why I disagree and feel Froch fought the better run of fighters. Anyway we can back and forth all day on this, thank you for your input
"From Tszyu to Pacquaio they where the guys he faced in that order, now what is wrong with that run or his reuse that apparently makes Froch's better?" That is what I put after initially posting Hatton's run from Tszyu to Pac but I also added Stewart, Tackie, Phillips and Oliviera which where during his WBU run. I never once stated he was better or on par with Ward, Kessler etc.....but he's better than Mack if you wanted to be picky.
Froch beat the living hell out of Taylor? A fight is 12 rounds not first 8 . Froch has never been slick boxer he needs to wear his opponent down that's just his style .
He best Dirrell all day long who was negative the whole fight. Hatton had a very good career too. I would agree with the Tszyu win if he wasn't well passed his best when they fought, he was in effect semi retired at best when they fought. If he beat him in his pomp I would agree about his win but it wasn't and he wouldn't have best him in his pomp either. Was still an excellent win though.
The positives of Froch are way more than the negatives, a brilliant fighter in many ways! Would love to have seen him fight a few more fights, always good with Froch
Lazcano was a class fighter btw. Might have won a version of a world title at one point. I still don't quite understand why he was seeing as being a soft touch from basically everyone. They just assumed cause he,d just fought mayweather he wasn't,t in his class...but I still regard lacazano as one of hattons better wins. The only other reason I can think of was lacazano was a lightweight...barring that tho lacazano was no soft touch. Gave Ricky a hard night. Ricky then blamed billy graham but think lacazano was always a tricky fighter if he was a natural light welter it would have been a competitive fight.
Yeah, i understand where your coming from but for me: He was inactive coming off a loss and was out of his best weight class, with a lot of miles on the clock His last win was something like 18 months prior to the Hatton fight. He was a good fighter in his day but he's another one that I think was well past his best by the time Hatton fought him. That's why I don't really rate it.
Well said. This is one of my min problems regarding Froch and Hatton, Lazcano is seen as a gimme yet he was an actual proven fighter but people would rather talk about fighters like Dirrell being a quality win....Dirrell has never beaten a top class fighter outside of the debacle of AA who in all truth and honesty couldn't cut it at the 168 top.
Yet no doubt you rate Froch beating Kessler? No doubt you rate Froch beating AA? Rate Glen Johnson? You cannot have it both ways.
Tszyu was ranked 2 on everyone's P4P list, yes he wasn't "prime" but neither was Kessler when Froch lost and beat him and he was never in anyone's P4P list. As for the Dirrell fight it was close, Froch was made to look pedestrian and got wobbled and hurt in the process and Dirrell isn't all that good....lost everytime he's stepped up. I'm a massive Tszyu fan, got tickets for the fight but wasn't allowed to go as it fell on my son's 1st birthday and agree whilst he wasn't prime it was a great win for Wicky.
Froch wasn’t elite but he was clearly a world class fighter. Groves is a very good fighter imo, arguably the best at 168 currently and Froch ironed him out in the twilight of his career. He beat some very good fighters and was clearly a world class competitor. Not sure I’d rank him top 10 on the british all time list but a great british fighter nonetheless... Taylor he was 14 seconds away from losing, he lost to a past prime Kessler, Dirrell I thought he was lucky to win against, Ward he was outclassed by so he can’t be called elite imo...the first groves fight was a controversial stoppage in another fight he was losing but given his track record for late KOs in those kind of fights and what happened second time around it’s hard to argue that wasn’t coming anyway...harsh on GG though... Personally I rate him more highly than Hatton, I thought Hatton had a few fights where he looked less than special and a few cherry picks, though Hatton was also world class at 140 on his day. But had the fights happened there are a number of people I’d pick to beat him at both 140 and 147...Cotto for example...At Welterweight I think most good fighters beat him (Collazo decision was a gift imo). Calzaghe is the only elite fighter of recent years to come from these shores...but even he had some off nights...Lennox Lewis too of course, though he was a little before Calzaghe.
I tend to think it was slightly easier competing at the slightly heavier weights around their respective eras. If you compared froch and calzaghes era around their weights with hattons. I think hattons was a lot more competitive. Cotto, mayweather, tyszu, pacman, Mosley. Its quite a list. What happens is it pushes good fighters down the rankings. But their still good fighters. Pushes guys like Tackie/Harris/urango/lacazano/mallinaggi etc down the list. So a top ten fighter in each of their divisions aren,t quite equal. With froch/calzaghe the good fighters we,re all pretty much in the top ten. Not many really great fighters,around at the time. I liked Kessler he was a good fighter but he was always slightly overrated. Tyszu was a good bit better win than Kessler for me. Think froch probably just shades it on CV...but its a lot closer than some think. Same with calzaghes...just that he had the longetivity and the unbeaten record and didn't,t get took apart like Ricky did. I still say he probably would have if say he fought a prime Roy Jones.
No British title no wbc title Ask yourself why its called path of least resistance Castillo got not a penny and way past best Tyszu roughly two year absence with one fight irrc coming from shoulder surgery Lazcano was never no world beater ever What did urango go on to do breed pigs come on people you've got to be true to yourself Khans career mirrors hattons smoke and mirror cloack and dagger surrounded by lies
