Who was better, Sugar Ray Leonard or Roy Jones Jr?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by VG_Addict, Dec 22, 2017.

Page 2 of 5
  1. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Messages:
    20,237
    Likes Received:
    6,501
    Lenny. And I cant stand the *****
     
    Clinton, Dec 22, 2017
    #16
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    52,924
    Likes Received:
    44,764
    If i read correctly the question is H2H P4P.

    You can reasonably argue either. SRL is more proven resume wise, he fought and beat numerous P4P ATG's. Jones has that immense talent and so much dominance - he was levels above so many challengers. Only Toney on Jones resume would approach the big 4 tho.

    I'll say SRL with his stronger resume at the top end. He's completely proven. I don't doubt that Jones would have done the same given the opportunity.
     
    JohnThomas1, Dec 22, 2017
    #17
  3. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Messages:
    3,499
    Likes Received:
    5,266
    That's it. The perfect answer to what was actually quite a tricky question.
     
    Eddie Ezzard, Dec 22, 2017
    #18
    ETM and Bokaj like this.
  4. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    1,415
    More like top 5 P4P
     
    J Jones, Dec 22, 2017
    #19
    Seamus likes this.
  5. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    1,828
    Likes Received:
    1,415
    Prime Jones beats prime SRL in a P4P matchup. His mastery of distance, freakish hand/foot speed, and punching power with either hand make him a handful for just about any fighter who ever lived.

    Based on his decline since 2004, fans tend to overlook just how dominant he was at his peak. I also think the writers who have a vote on ATG P4P lists tend to vote him down a few notches as payback for his cocky and diva like behavior when he was on top of the sport.

    Make no mistake about it, prime Roy is an ATG.
     
    J Jones, Dec 22, 2017
    #20
    ETM likes this.
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    61,797
    Likes Received:
    46,500
    It would have been arguable.

    I could never have ranked him over Greb, Langford, Robinson or Fitzsimmons.
     
    Seamus, Dec 22, 2017
    #21
    J Jones likes this.
  7. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2017
    Messages:
    11,660
    Likes Received:
    17,942
    I disagree .. As I think there are more boxers throughout history who have a better chance at beating RJJ at 168, then SRL at 147 ..If that is what you mean by it..
     
    surfinghb, Dec 22, 2017
    #22
    Rumsfeld likes this.
  8. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2012
    Messages:
    3,857
    Likes Received:
    1,513
    Prime Roy arguably never lost a round

    But Ray fought the best in Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Benitez

    I'll give it to Roy because of his total and complete domination during his best years ... He was unreal
     
    KidDynamite, Dec 22, 2017
    #23
  9. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2005
    Messages:
    52,924
    Likes Received:
    44,764
    So you had him 8-0 up against Griffin?
     
    JohnThomas1, Dec 22, 2017
    #24
  10. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    12,116
    Likes Received:
    5,733
    that Hagler was inactive and unmotivated compared to the Marvin who fought Hearns. But Ray knew when to fight him, but still Ray beat all time greats. He will always be a greater fighter.
     
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 22, 2017
    #25
  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    12,116
    Likes Received:
    5,733
    I agree. The names he beat Benitez,Duran and Hearns in a two year span overtakes anything Jones did. And he gutted the wins out..
     
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 22, 2017
    #26
  12. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2017
    Messages:
    11,660
    Likes Received:
    17,942
    Jones had his chance to fight some better guys, imo. He passed on it
     
    surfinghb, Dec 22, 2017
    #27
  13. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    12,116
    Likes Received:
    5,733
    yeah he did. He did not want to be pushed in fights. I think he wanted to win but he didn't want the grueling fights Ray was able to pull off.
     
    PernellSweetPea, Dec 22, 2017
    #28
  14. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2017
    Messages:
    7,834
    Likes Received:
    13,127
    On what basis?
     
    Jel, Dec 23, 2017
    #29
  15. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2016
    Messages:
    2,991
    Likes Received:
    1,140
    What a nonsense
     
    Combatesdeboxeo_, Dec 23, 2017
    #30
Page 2 of 5