Lomachenko's Win Over Riquitdeaux Is One of the GREATEST WINS of the Modern Era...

Almost every major list had both men top 10 p4p (ESPN, RING, CBS, Bad Left Hook...etc). You are the one trying to revise history.

 

Well to me Lomachenko is physically limited. Sometimes we see guys get overrated due to their physical abilities like a ridiculous chin, workrate or power at the expense of being technically non existent. We see this in boxing. But can the opposite also apply. A guy like Jorge Linares for example is arguably the 2nd most skilled fighter in the world after Lomachenko, but his chin is pure glass. He's not overrated, but some people do like to gloss over the fact he's physically flawed and rate him p4p anyways.

Lomachenko is considered by most boxing fans now to be p4p the best in the world. With the aging of GGG/Kovalev and the retirement of Ward. Now they consider the 29 year old Lomachenko the world's best fighter. And that's entirely due to his skills and quick feet. He has quickness, I'll give him that, but he's not physical at all. He's got no power, no real desire to shake off punches and walk his opponent down. No desire to display a tremendous workrate. Not particularly explosive or violent. His attributes are totally average. It's hard to walk down and destroy guys when your not equipped with the tools. Guys like Trinidad made it look easy because he was swinging a sledgehammer with both hands which is something you almost never see.

 

Not even close. Even loma said the win was no big deal.

 

@OvidsExile

I believe you're correct that Lomachenko didn't really do much as it pertains to laying a beating on Rigo. Especially considering that Rigo had little to offer in return. He was not being fended off with any threat of return fire. But what about Rigo's negative gameplan? It's harder to lay a beating on somebody who's entire gameplan is to spoil. When their gameplan turns into just don't take any power shots instead of try to win the fight there are less openings.

 

I disagree. I think Lomachenko is very explosive w/ his power shots that follow his machine gun jabs. it just doesn't look explosive because of the aforementioned lack of dynamite. His chin is still a huge question mark, though... but I guess having never been stopped or dropped should be a good indicator that he can take power shots.

 

To be honest, I think he made those comments as a way of adding insult to injury...

 

Disagree. Loma is not explosive. He's quick. Big difference. Loma is like Tony Parker. He's ridiculously quick, his feet and agility are ridiculous. But he's not very fast and powerful. No real explosiveness at all. He's also not strong, not tough like a bulldozer. He doesn't walk you down and put hurt on.

 

I dont. he knew that a 37 year old fighter moving up 2 weights to face a prime fighter was no big deal and he was just stating the obvious. If loma was 37 and was going up 2 weight classes to fight a 29 year old future p4p elite and got tooled. That guy wouldnt get much credit either.

 

He also said that he didn't want to fight Pac because he would get no credit for beating up an old man... yet he said that he wanted the fight, but only if it was at 135.

 

Older guys who move up in weight and fight somebody bigger and elite almost always get badly schooled or hurt. People just didn't realize that Rigo was way past prime because they have hard on's for the ring ratings, espn ratings, etc. They also think that age doesn't matter if you don't take punishment. Which is dumb as ****. Everybody over the age of 34 or 35 is getting worse. They all are, period. It's just that some styles and punishment taken just makes the decline worse. Rigo's rating was for his past resume. Two time Olympic gold medalist, undefeated and win over Nonito Donaire. But that was all a long time ago and Donaire shouldn't have even been in at that weight anyways. It's not like he ran through HOF'ers or big name guys either. It was just Donaire and some random Japanese dudes.

 

Yes, but...

Rigo was old and smaller. It is difficult to know what a younger, bigger Rigo would have done. But we can only go by what we were given, and Loma dominated. Loma, to me, is the most complete fighter I have ever seen. This does not mean he cannot be beaten. Everyone is beatable. But in terms of speed, technique, elusiveness, talent, Loma is the best I have seen. He may be pushed to move up and fight guys much bigger than he is and he may lose but at his natural weight, he is the best. People love to compare fighters by the wars they have been through, the shots they have taken and how badly they have been hurt, only to come back and win, and those wins are impressive but Loma doesn't go there. He doesn't get hit. Give the man his due.

 

How is he the most complete fighter you have seen? Maybe you haven't seen Ray Robinson. What about Roberto Duran or Ray Leonard? If somebody like Salido tried to pressure them (even in their 2nd fight) they would rip his damn face off. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't put a ton of stock into Loma's fight with Salido. Power is part of completeness.

 

I agree. 10 fights & he no mas'd Guillermo Rigondeaux! The legend continues....

 

Also another thing to consider is that Loma only had 6 rounds to beat up Rigo because Rigo quit with all his faculties. Rigo had just been deducted a point for clinching in round 6. Loma was starting to get more and more comfortable and measuring Rigo's spoiling strategy. It's not out of the question that as the fight moves into the 2nd half that Loma begins to bang on him more and more. That seems to be the only plausible outcome given the direction and spirit of the fight.

Rigo was on his way to a DQ loss from clinching, a one sided UD or even a potentially bruising TKO if Loma was afforded the opportunity to fight more rounds.

 

I've seen all of these fighters. Robinson was before my day so I only watched a few of his fights.

I am referring to fighters I have watched live during my lifetime. He would have dominated Duran. Leonard, hard to say. Styles make fights, as you know, and Leonard had the speed to challenge Loma but Leonard was bigger. Duran, earlier in his career, may have hurt Loma with his power. As I said, any fighter is beatable if caught. But I think it is highly unlikely Duran would have caught Loma. The Salido fight was a refereeing disgrace. Loma was hit repeatedly below the belt. Had the fight gone 15, though, Loma would have stopped Salido.