AJ vs. Wilder

So, I'm new to ESB. But I've been around some boxing forums. And I've seen plenty of debate about Wilder vs. Joshua when it comes to finances. Im curious to hear the ESB posters tell their side.

I heard Wilder say something about 50 percent. Which initially I thought was crazy. Then I saw a video with Richard Schaefer where he broke some things down a bit. He said that UK PPVs are usually 1/4-1/3 the cost of US PPVs. So basically to make the same money on 1 million UK sells you would only have to sell about 300k in the US. Not to mention US ticket prices are higher. It was also brought to my attention that Canelo vs. Chavez did a live gate of 10.5 million in Vegas. Where AJ vs. Wlad did about 8.5 million with 90k in attendance. Staggering when you think about it really. If this is all right, and adds up, wouldnt you think that Wilder does have a legit claim to 50 percent? Or at least 40 percent?

Wilder is the only guy that can offer Joshua this opportunity. I know that Wilder has no PPVs under his belt. But I do know he is known to some casuals over here. His fight highlights are regularly shown on ESPN Sportscenter and Ive even seen Stephen Smith(I know I want to gag also) talking about an AJ vs. Wilder fight on Sportscenter. I think with a bit of build up this fight could easily do 300k in the states. Probably more. I believe alot of times it depends on who you put in front of someone that determines the interest. For instance, when you put Canelo in with Liam Smith there is little to moderate interest. You put him in with Golovkin, Khan and Cotto and you have success. You put AJ in there and I think the public US interest becomes pretty substantial with Wilder across from him.

Maybe late 2018 or summer of 2019. But it seems like the states is logical. And Wilder may have a claim to 40-50 percent. He is the only one that can offer AJ the big US fight. What do you guys think?

 

Well that explain alot on ESBs feelings on Wilder as a fighter. But is he crazy to say 40-50 percent for Joshua fight here in the US given the numbers that Schaefer presented? Given that Canelo vs. Chavez did more at the gate than AJ vs. Wlad? despite a disparity of about 70k in tickets sold?

Lets try to take peoples feelings about Wilder and their nationalists bias out of the equation here for a moment.

 

I could agree with most of what you wrote. But when you are the only guy that brings the US audience than are you worth only 30 percent?

I disagree that Wilder is unkown to the US audience. His highlights are always shown on Sportscenter. And they have talked about an AJ clash on that same show. I have friends who are definitley the definition of casual. And they have mentioned Wilder to me in the past before I ever brought him up in front of them.

As I said before, it depends on who you put in front of him. The AJ vs. Wilder fight was a great one and the American audience loved it on Showtime. AJ is getting his name out over here. With a bit more work on pushing AJ I think AJ vs. Wilder is wildly successful over here as well as the UK. If you get both PPV audiences in it could be a massive financial success.

If you are putting Liam Smith in front of Canelo nobody really cares. You put Cotto, Khan and Golovkin in there it changes everything. Wilder is obviously not on the Canelo level but Im just using an example. When you put Wilder in with Stiverne and Gerald Washington then sure its not going to get crazy viewers. You put him in with AJ and it changes the equation. So thats AJ's line. But Wilders line is hes the only one that can help AJ fill T-Mobile with big ticket prices. If the thing did 500k on US PPV alone it would be a success. I believe it can reach at least that.

 

Again. You seem to be talking about Wilder does on his own now vs. what he can do with someone with the profile of AJ. Its not the same. You arent really seeing the picture here to in my opinion.

Yes Wilders tickets in Brooklyn are less than Chavez/Canelo tickets. But Wilder vs. AJ wouldnt be in Brooklyn and he wouldnt be fighting Stiverne or a Gerald Washington. He would be fighting AJ, whom his own fans claim, is a star. AJs profile is building in the US and the Wlad fight helped tremendously.

You dont think AJ/Wilder can do 300k US PPVs? I certainly do.

 

Why would Showtime buy AJ's fights then? It would seem they have been working towards putting Wilder vs AJ on for some time?

Froch was a star in the UK. But lets face it all we hear now is about how AJ is selling out 70-90k in seats and doing live gate record numbers.

You dont think AJ's fans will travel and help fill the casinos and the arena? They sure traveled for a national treasure like Hatton on more than one occasion. If you dont think they can fill T-Mobile for AJ vs Wilder I think you are nuts. And if you think those tickets are going for the $400 they do in Brooklyn you are equally as crazy.

I can tell by your name you are most likely a UK nationalist and probably have Hearn and AJ's back in every argument against the "yank". So I will try to take it with a grain of salt. But this fight is appetizing in the US. They will fill in the arena at premium prices without a problem. PPV sales are tougher to gauge though I will admit that.

 

Because its good and fair business. Both guys bring something to the table the other guy cant get without them. AJ cant get a fight that will do a gate like that and add US PPV money. And Wilder cant get a PPV worthy fight and a gate like that without AJ. It just makes sense. Both bring something to the table.

How many US/UK battles have you seen where each side kept their domestic PPVs?

Did Hatton and Floyd agree to both take their own domestic PPV money? How about Pac and Hatton?

 

What reasons make it bigger in Wembley than in the US?

As stated. Canelo vs. Chavez did better live gate than both of AJs last two fights.

If AJ is the big star you claim to be than a fight in the US makes more sense. As it gives them US and UK ppv money. UK money being 1/3 of what the US money would bring. Guys claiming that AJ is a worldwide star now only really lends credence to the fight taking place in the US.

You guys look too much at what Wilder does on his own here in the US. And what AJ does on his own in the UK instead of realizing the potential of putting these two in TOGETHER and how much more interesting it makes the fight and sells it. You put someone like AJ in front of Wilder and suddenly people care ALOT more than they do if its Wilder vs. Gerald Washington or Stiverne or whoever.

Why would Hearn want no part of a potential US PPV haul? Even at a fraction of the sales it equals the same money as 1 million UK views. Why would Hearn want to limit the potential of this?

If AJ wins he not only has his UK/Europe audience. But has just won a big fight here in the States and raised his profile here.

Did Hatton ever ask Floyd "Hey man Ill tell you what you keep your domestic PPV money and I'll keep mine thats cool man right"? I dont think he did. Maybe he did but I dont remember.

Richard Schaefer has no stake in this. Do you guys think you know more about the UK/US markets and boxing financials than him? Schaefer has been around the boxing game for some time and put together some big fights.