Lomachenko's Win Over Riquitdeaux Is One of the GREATEST WINS of the Modern Era...

You are such a sad piece of garbage. Enjoy your Christmas crying about Lomachenko? What happened to your "pumpkin face" prediction you petulant child? If you do not like people taking about Lomachenko embarrassing Rigo then perhaps you should consider shutting the **** up about it instead of continuing this revolting crusade. Not that I even care really, it simply does my job for me and shows this board what others and I have been saying about you for years.

 

You said "A pound is a pound", thus explicitly implying that all pounds are created equal. If that's the case then just have everybody booze up or bodybuild up to Heavyweight. And compete at 200 plus pounds, because like you said a pound is a pound. **** it, booze up to HW, it don't make a difference. Is that not your logic?

 

My point was weight is not subjective.

You cant agrue Duran was outweighed by 25 pounds, when in reality he was 156 to Haglers 157. That is self explanatory.

 

Before the fight was made, I recall Rigo being in many lists on here. Hell, if you want to argue this forum, i recall many of the usual suspects claiming he would beat Loma and Loma was ducking.

Weird comment about Wilder, none of these outlets rate him in P4P. In fact, their listings are about respectable as they ever were, order may vary, but you see lots of the same names consistently agreed on.

Its just the facts, it was generally considered to be a fight between p4p talents, cant change that.

 

Fights and wins are evaluated in retrospect. That's how it's always been. Some wins stand the test of time and some don't. Like for example what is generally considered the best win of the 1980's? Probably Duran UD Leonard or Hagler KO Hearns. What is the best win of the 90's? Probably Jones Jr. UD Toney. What is best win of the 2000's? Probably Pacquiao KO Barrera.

Some wins are classics. They stand up to the test of time. Lomachenko making Rigo quit is already falling by the wayside a couple weeks later. It's not going to stand the test of time because it doesn't stack up like the great classic wins.

 

Its way too early for a retrospective evaluation.

But its important to remember the facts. Someone denying this was a fight between two generally consensus p4p fighters needs to be corrected.

 

He was. You are right. But it was not 75%+ as implied by consensus. Seemed to me it was less than 50%. Back in 2012-14, absolutely he was on every list. Began to wean off then, even if I still had him on the ass end through 2015 if I remember but on this forum many were starting to call for the singular Donaire no longer carrying weight through the inactivity and relatively lame opposition for a, what, 6-7 year P4P running guy according to those who still rated him as such (although I've defended it in the past, it depends on the claim of course).

Ironically, the pro Lomo crowd rated Rigondeaux pretty low while the pro Rigo crowd rated Rigo really high. Now that the fight is over the Lomo crowd is rating Rigo very high while the pro Rigo crowd is not giving what would be relative credit to Lomo for the dominant win. Add in the 2 division jump with a whole lot of everybody having weighed in on that in the past and you find yourself with quite a large bit of funny hypocrisy around here on this specific hot take fight.

ESPN has Wilder #10 P4P right now.

They are P4P talents. Legends of the amateur game and very accomplished pros. But this thread is all about the context of the claim that the "win over Rigo is one of the greatest wins of the modern era" so I guess that might be some of my tone in the "hater" direction here.

 

Don't even try to give me that sh*t when this thread is called "Lomachenko's Win Over Riquitdeaux..."

I don't think my claims against him are very harsh ever.

 

The more and more posts I read, I'm getting the distinct Euro vs everyone else feel here. Rigo is not American so ugh, who gives a **** about the Euro aspect? Brass tacks time, Loma got a good solid win however its not amazing given the particulars, small, old, and inactive fighter from lower weight classes. Every advantage belonged to Loma, so he was SUPPOSED to win. Some of you guys are giving credit for the greatest comeback victory the worlds ever seen. That's just not the case. Good win definitely, but not superman level win. My 2 cents.

 

Not sure how one would even go about determining that. Where is the cut off? General consensus would imply most of the major outlet listings, which Rigo was in fact rated by for a very long time.

Okay, slap him on some more major lists and he would be general consensus P4P and there really isn't anything we could do about it. It would be accurate to describe him as such.

Combat it with logic. Don't claim something is a revision when it is an accurate statement.

 

Not way to early to evaluate that fight. If Rigondeaux had of put in a full effort for more than a round or two, and lost a competitive decision, I think it would be viewed as a good win. But Rigondeaux moving up two weight classes, at 37 Cuban years of age(45) to fight at 130 in a one off, against a guy three or four inches taller, and 12 pounds heavier in the ring, who is in his prime, while having no warmup fight or anything at 130. Not to mention only having fought a few rounds over the last three years. Yeah Rigondeaux is pound for pound top 10 just based on his talent and ability, but that was a mismatch. That wasn't the Rigondeaux from the Donaire fight. That was an older Rigondeaux, looking a bit rusty, with off timing, and slow feet against a good bigger man. It's a win, that's about all you can characterize it as, unless Rigs stays at 130 and starts beating people up.

 

While I definitely had Rigo in my p4p list before the fight I bet the farm on Lomachenko. I saw the 4 to 1 odds against Rigondeaux and thought, "Damn, that's charitable. I'd have made them at least 10 or 20 to 1." Like I told you the week before the fight, nobody has ever gone up two weight classes to beat a top ten pound for pound guy who was eight years younger than them." I didn't put it statistically out of the realm of possibility because Lomachenko could have been injured or robbed by the judges; but I thought the odds were ridiculously optimistic for Rigondeaux at 4 to 1 against.

Could you please, for me, name who was claiming that Rigondeaux would beat Lomachenko. The only people I could think of who might say something like that are trolls like MVC or SuperHans. Maybe, Drenlou and Dinovelvet because they just love the evasive boxing style. But I can't think of any serious person who wasn't a complete idiot who would pick Rigondeaux over Lomachenko. Although, funny story, I did check the sportsbook donwstairs and even though Rumsfeld picked Lomachenko to win in the video he posted, I saw he put 3,000 on Rigondeaux. I figured he just liked the 4 to 1 odds though or likes to bet on underdogs rather than actually believing Rigondeaux would pull of the upset. For my part, in the weeks leading up to the fight, I thought the people picking Rigondeaux to win were all trolls and I didn't pay them any attention. Please, name a few, so that we might publicly shame them.

Even though I thought Rigondeaux might not have deteriorated that much... He was 37, a bantamweight, and had to have deteriorated. I'll be perfectly honest, I thought he might be on that Hopkins youth serum, and have something left. I hadn't seen him lose yet, so I didn't have a good reason to move him down from a p4p spot. But that doesn't mean that I think p4p guys can jump multiple weight divisions without consequences.

I think of p4p kind of like punching power. GGG has ATG punching power at middleweight. But that's a continuum. He'd have good power at super middleweight, average power at light heavyweight, and weak power at cruiserweight. Generally speaking, you take a p4p guy at one weight, move him up two or three weight classes, and what you've got is a normal fighter. So it doesn't matter that Rigondeaux was on p4p lists. You move him up one weight class and he's just a good fighter. You move him up two and he's contender level. Move him up three and he might not beat some journeymen. That's partly what happened with Gonzalez, that along with growing old overnight.

 

I was less in favor of protecting Rigo's rating for such a long period of inactivity and mediocre competition, and I'd argue that Gonzalez' aptitude to compete at Rungvisai's weight was proven enough (by contrast to Rigo's lack of evidence two weight classes above his dominion), but... That is a very good post, sir.

 

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There are a core handful to that group, who have been banned numerous times for spewing racial crap. They've had to tone it down lately due to getting repeatedly banned. Nothing but a bunch of trolling racist morons. They took the Kovalev beating fairly bad, and have been waiting months to try and lash out for some type of victory. Lomachenko pity patting the older, smaller Rigondeaux a few times over six rounds gives them some type of solace I guess.

As far as the win, it's a win, I don't even know that it can even be characterized. It's not like Rigo had been Koing three guys a year at 122. He fought what? Three rounds over the last two years prior to Lomachenko?