Mike Tyson and adversity

Funny to see this coming from someone who idolizes his master Lenni

Tyson was everyone's cash cow, everyone's gravy train in the Catskills and everyone outside Catskill and i am pretty sure Atlas grew bitter over missing out on the Tyson gravy train. Everyone knew being a part of team Tyson meant everyone would get a free ride, gifts, perks, free loading. Only difference is that the Catskills team actually did their jobs, earned it and made sure that Tyson was best conditioned and trained to fight to the best of his abilities.

Tyson's aura of fear that he instilled in his opponents were well deserved from his knockouts. A tense or scared fighter does not throw punches, haymakers and trade with his opponent and that is what Ruddock was doing therefore your opinion is invalid as Ruddock came to fight.

Haven't seen that fight so cannot comment.

Tyson was a small fighter with a very limited reach and a small height. His Pee ka boo fighting style depended immensely on full peak conditioning and practicing the Catskill skills so that in a real fight situation he was well conditioned to move his head, to have fast footwork to get inside big tall fighters and to be able to throw multiple punches without tiring. It has been well documented that Tyson was not training properly, he was extremely disinterested, cutting corners, getting knocked down in sparring by sparring partners which even included people he had beaten in the past. He arrived in Tokyo at 248 lbs 2 weeks before the fight and had to be on a crash diet to get down to 220 lbs at the weight in.

He came extremely unprepared for that fight and it was basically a case of the worst version of Tyson against the best version of Douglas. Inspite of a terrible ass kicking Tyson hung in there for 10 rounds almost and even got a Knock out against Douglas in round 8 who came in the best fighting shape of his life. But you cannot discount things like being able to take big punches to the face for 10 plus rounds and not going down, to be able to still throw a big punch to bail yourself out. Tyson showed plenty of heart in that fight.

Holyfield had been a very active fighter from 1991 to 1996 and had been in numerous wars. Tyson in prison had no access to a boxing gym, mitts, sparring and for 3 and half years he did absolutely no boxing training in prison. You can see the massive decline in the Mcneely, Mathis Jr fight where he is punching a lot slower, he is missing a lot of punches and is being pushed back by opponents and is very flat footed.

Sure you can choose not to have any sympathy for him but fact is that he was ring rusty against Holyfield and past his prime. He still showed plenty of grit and determination against Roided, fouling ATG fighter.

You can believe everything you want about your Master, but the fact is that Lewis hit Tyson with everything he had and he only got Tyson out of there when it actually happened (even then it can be debated whether your Master actually truly knocked him out or whether it was Tyson who just gave up and decided to dive and just not get back up). You don't see your Master praise an opponents chin and determination in the post fight comments "He can take a heck of a punch"

Douglas knew he was not going to get lucky again and therefore chose to avoid the rematch. If you blame Tyson for not rematching the opponents he lost too then Douglas deserves the same criticism for not rematching Tyson. Nobody even cares about Douglas now frankly speaking.

Fact of the matter is that everyone knows that none of Tyson's conquerers beat the Tyson of 1985-88. I love how you are saying that an ATG fighter shouldn't lose to an underdog by anything other than a lucky punch, making arguments to suit your Master "Lenni Chinny cant take a punch to the face Lewi".

 

You really are insufferable when it comes to your idol.

Unlike you I have no problem admitting Lewis should’ve never lost to McCall and/or Rahman. Same as your idol had no business losing to a 42 to 1 underdog.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...ouglas-reveals-mum-motivation-Mike-Tyson.html

The difference between The Pugilist Specialist and your idol, who Atlas calls a PHONY, is that Lennox did the 2 things Tyson NEVER did: he avenged his defeats after doing whatever it took to secure the rematches AND he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

As Tyson’s biggest Stan, you’ll swoop in with your cape and point Ruddock as an example of Tyson snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. I disagree with your characterization of the Ruddock fights and feel I should point out that Ruddock is not a HOFer like Vitali.

All I remember about Ruddock are his 2 competitive losses to your idol, his Loss by KO2 to The Pugilist Specialist and his highlight reel flattening at the hands of The Duke. I plan to attend the 2018 IBHOF Induction ceremony. If I see Ruddock in line waiting to pay for entry just like us regular Joes, I’ll take a picture with him and send you a copy for your shrine of all things Tyson.

I find it hard to believe you never saw Tyson’s fight against BONECLUTCHER. Either way, if you ever need a cure for insomnia, you might check it out. Perhaps next time you go to YouTube to watch your favorite wack Macklemore video, you can look for the fight. Here’s a sample of what you can expect to see for 12 dreadful rounds.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JAMES-BONE...TYSON-8X10-PHOTO-BOXING-PICTURE-/182411798633

There you go again with the post prison excuse. Just stop! You should just remember the Tyson of 1985 to 9 February 1990 and disregard the rest of career. This way he will be undefeated and his aura of invincibility will be intact.

Tyson did stand up to a lot of punishing shots against Lewis. However, he still ended up like this:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/boxingmemories/6156692871

I’m sorry, but you lost me with the following statement:

“Douglas knew he was not going to get lucky again and therefore chose to avoid the rematch. If you blame Tyson for not rematching the opponents he lost too then Douglas deserves the same criticism for not rematching Tyson. Nobody even cares about Douglas now frankly speaking.”

I don’t understand how adouglas should receive the same criticism as your idol. After all, Douglas WON the fight as a DRUMROLL PLEASE...42 to 1 underdog. I already explained my theory as to why i believe Douglas the 42 to 1 victorious underdog denied Your idol a shot at redemption.

I admit Douglas caught lightning in a bottle the night he beat Tyson. I can even admit that he probably couldn’t repeat the feat given 9 more tries. However, once Tyson and King decided to act like SORE LOSERS, Douglas decided to accept LESS money, to go through the motions, and deliver the belts to Holyfield on a silver platter rather than grant a rematch to Tyson the SORE LOSER. Now Tyson has to live with an unavenged loss to a 42 to 1 underdog and his loyal fans have to concoct conspiracy theories to defend their idol’s honor.

 

Not really, Lewis being the superior fighter is rightfully not being too much credit for winning rematches of D level opponents he should never have lost too in the first place in the manner that he did i.e. a chinny over protected girl who has never been in a street fight before in his life. It is not like he was rematching a Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, George Foreman.

Lewis went to extreme lengths to get the rematch, taking Rahman to court, hurling all sorts of insults, making comments "That was a lucky punch wasn't it Hashim?", "The Belts are on loan", "He is Hasbeen Rahman".

Ofcourse it is very convenient for you to dismiss Tyson fighting back from adversity against Ruddock because he is not a HOF but Ruddock at the time was a highly feared fighter, the no 2 contender and he was avoided by the likes of Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, George Foreman but Tyson fought him twice in non-title boughts.

FYI it was Tyson who completely destroyed and finished Ruddock and softened him up for your master whose resume is filled with Washed up worse version Tyson leftovers.

Very similar to Lewis-Akinwade

Everyone knows that Tyson was at his best from 1985-88. That is a fact. There is no argument that he was a handful for any fighter in history during that time period.

Yes, a fight with no real significance, a fighter in his prime vs a fighter a good 10-12 years past his best. The entire world knows it, Lewis knows it which is why he is still working very hard to lobby for credit for it to this day.

I’m sorry, but you lost me with the following statement:

Douglas receives criticism for taking a dive against Holyfield, for running away from the rematch with Tyson. King and Tyson rightfully appealled the 13 second count. The entire world knows that the Tyson against the Douglas of 1990 wasn't the real Tyson. This is a fact that all his haters have to live with.

 

Since you can’t accept any of Tyson’s defeats with humility, I’d like to hear your thoughts on the following:

How would you feel about Tyson/Douglas if the powers that be actually decided to reverse the official outcome from Tyson LKO10 to Tyson WKO8?

I believe this would’ve severely damaged his reputation. He’d have a serious asterisk next to his undefeated record. It’d be like Barry Bonds’s worthless homerun record.

 

So Mike was at his best during the Tillis fight which was in 1986, UFC ? Mike was pretty unimpressive in that fight and if it was a 12 rounder it may have been even closer as Mike was very tired.

I find that unusual as Mike's most fervent fans like to claim his prime was from the Berbick fight up to the Spinks fight.

An 18 month period

 

I also have difficulties with the way Tyson's fans try n give him a break him for not training properly for the Douglas fight and the way they use that as an excuse for him being knocked out.

It is Tyson's own fault he wasn't training properly and that can never be used as an excuse for losing.

Laziness n lack of desire should never be an excuse for a fighter getting beaten.

As for the controversy about the long count, more excuses. Douglas got up unlike Tyson who was still crawling around and fiddling with his mouthpiece when counted out.

 

He did actually knock Douglas down who got a 13 second count. He and Don King decided against the appeal due to the public outcry. But regardless, Tyson would always beat Douglas 10 times out 10 if they ever fought again so it was a non isssue to be honest.

 

Tillis was his first major fight and the first time he had stepped up. Tillis came into the best shape of his life as well. This was the first fight in which Tyson went the distance and had to deal with a mover. Tillis gave him huge problems in that fight and Tyson gritted out a tough one and made full use of the major mistake Tillis made and got a knock down which definately swayed the judges.

Tyson never had problems with movers after that fight and accurately cut the ring off against moving fighters in subsequent bouts.

 

Sure it was Tyson's fault for not training properly but the point being made is that the best version of Tyson did not turn up that night and that the best version of Tyson will beat the best version of Douglas 10 times out of ten.

And please, Douglas got 13 seconds to get up whereas Mike was up by the count of 10.

 

Hi UFC, we will have to agree to disagree buddy.

This video shows what happened.

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This is what happened in reality

 

Hi again UFC, sorry man. Your video simply has a guy giving his OPINION regarding what he BELIEVES happened to Douglas while he conveniently ignores the fact that that the referee gave Tyson an identical count.

My posted video shows two fighters having the same time count to get up and one ( Douglas ) does so and calmly walks back to his corner while the other fighter ( Tyson ) also gets up at the refs count of nine but staggers forward into Meyran's arms with an obvious severe concussion. Douglas was still in command of his senses, note how he pounds the canvas in frustration before he gets up.

Yes both counts were long but if you know the rules as they were then the referee and not the time keeper was the sole official arbiter of the count ( nowadays its the time keeper who makes the official count ).

Cheers Man, that's my last post to you on the topic.

 

Wtf? Seriously, 16 pages and the best defense you have are the ruddock fights, where Tyson had to foul like a dozen times, one premature stoppage and one fight he should have been disqualified in? Yes he showed heart (and unsportsmanlike conduct) but the fact you have to cling to these two fights is exactly what the problem is.

Tyson beating a tough B level fighter in Ruddock (whom he was favored to beat) and needing to foul to do it doesnt mean he overcame adversity and showed grit the way Dempsey, Ali, Louis, Frazier, Foreman, Lewis, Klitschko, even Joshua did. As Meek Mill would say, "theres levels to this $#!%". Tyson showed some toughness and determination but nowhere near rhe level of the aforementioned boxers.

"Frazier was a mile wide and a mile deep...Tyson was a mile wide, and an inch deep"--Larry Merchant

Tyson NEVER avenged his defeats. I dont care why.

Tyson NEVER got off the floor to win. Idgaf why.

Other champions DID. He doesnt get a pass.

Nothing you say will change that. Get the hell over it.

 

I actually checked both counts a day ago. They are identical.