Mike Tyson and adversity

I think you better call in some reinforcements Macklemore. The so called pack of Tyson Haters is eating you alive. Case in point:

You said Ruddock wore his shorts higher than normal. Then as I regained my composure from laughing so hard, you said Tyson was an extremely short heavyweight with short HANDS...lol!

 

Have you ever boxed, wrestled, competed in martial arts? If so, you would know that it is a lot easier, psychologically speaking, to recover from a one punch knockout than it is to recover from a prolonged, pillar to post beat down. Jeff Lacy serves as a prime example. So does your idol, which is why he resorted to biting his Master (Holyfield).

I’m still waiting for you to answer my question about reversing the result of Douglas/Tyson from Tyson LKO10 to Tyson WKO8.

 

No need

 

Then what kind of Adversity did Lenni deal with really in his defeat? Secondly why did he not get up and be in a fit state to fight on by the count of 10?

Like i said i am indifferent about the Tokyo fight.

 

They were lucky punches in his mind which explains how he was able to recover quickly enough to avenge his defeats.

So tell me again, when did Tyson ever recover from the 10 round @55 kicking he received by a 42 to 1 underdog? That’s right, according to you but only when it’s convenient to your argument, he never did since he was washed up for all TEN years of his post prison prime. I won’t even mention the fact that he got his @55 kicked twice by Holyfield who opened the first fight as a 25 to 1 underdog.

 

What are short hands?

 

Nope, Mccall broke down in the rematch and Lenni was still terrified to let his hands go against him and he did what he actually should have done in the first fight to Rahman in the rematch.

Pretty simple, against Tillman, Alex Stewart (who was petrified at the staredown), Ruddock wars

Holyfield was an active fighter from 1991 to 1996 whereas Tyson only had like 8 rounds of boxing since his return from Prison where he hadn't touched a glove for 4 years.

 

The Pugilist Specialist didn’t handle any adversity in either of his defeats. In both cases he was in no condition to continue.

FYI, he was on his feet when the ref stopped the McCall fight. I told you in an earlier post that I did not think he was in any condition to continue and I think the ref did the right thing.

You don’t seem that indifferent about the Tokyo fight based on how you keep moving the goal posts.

I’m still waiting for you to answer the question about reversing the official result and the effect it would’ve had on tyson’s Career.

 

I meant limited reach

 

It would not have had any difference on Tyson's career, he was going downhill since getting rid of his catskills team in 1988. He was an unhinged individual and was no longer living the proper lifestyle of an athlete, he would have done something to get himself into serious trouble.

 

It’s not Lewis’s fault that McCall broke down. He fought cautiously but he still WON. Tyson fought cautiously in 4 of his 6 losses and lost 3 of the fights with his @55 and/or back in contact with the canvas.

Did you really cite Alex Stewart as proof of the restoration of Tyson’s confidence? Now you just sound desperate.

If Tyson needed more rounds before he fought Holyfield, he should’ve done one of 2 things.

1. Fight tougher opponents than McNeely and Mathis Jr.
2. Taken a few more tune ups to get more rounds in

Of course we all know why he did neither of these things. His Yes Men Who never held him accountable gassed his head up and with $$$ in their eyes, they convinced him to go after who they felt was a vulnerable Holyfield. Hindsight is 20/20 and we all know Tyson stepped in dog doo-doo with that miscalculation.

 

I agree with his downward career trajectory following his dismissal of the Catskill team. I also think withdrawing the appeal was a wise move on Tyson’s part.

 

I know what you meant. I was just giving you a hard time...lol!

 

Why was Lewis cautious against a guy who was not even there mentally? He was scared of being chinned again. He should have done much better than he did. Anybody who watches the fight will realize that the fight was more about the opponent boxer breaking down than Lewis having anything to do with it.

Tyson did not box cautiously at all in his losses, he kept attacking inspite of being battered and he only went back on the canvas after taking a brutal beat down for 8-10 plus rounds when other fighters would have been floored by one punch to the face.

This is the biggest myth of them all that Douglas destroyed the invincibility aura of Mike Tyson. If that is the case then why didn't Douglas rematch him and back himself to do the same job in style? Why was Alex Stewart shitting himself? Why was Bruno crossing himself 10 times before the fight? Why did Bruce Seldon take a dive? Tyson's fear factor did not suffer at all after the Douglas bout.

To be honest he should have gone the George Foreman route. Foreman came back to boxing in 1987 but fought something like 15-20 opponents before finally stepping it up against Holyfield in 1991 after which he finally began to be taken seriously again.

Tyson was bankrupt when he came out of prison. His objective was to make as much money as possible in the quickest time possible. The quicker it came in, the quicker it went out. He made the bulk of his fortune after prison.

 

We have to agree to disagree on the first half of your post.

However, I agree with your opinion that Tyson should have taken his time like Foreman did. He might not have made the money as quickly, but he would’ve enjoyed more success in the post prison part of his career.

Speaking of post prison, it’s disappointing to think that prison did little to change Tyson’s approach to selecting members of his inner circle. I always believed prison and lesser hardships had a way of improving discipline and judgement in even the most enabled (coddled) individuals. Unlike Hopkins, this does not seem to be the case for Tyson. It plays out even worse for dirtbags like Tony Ayala and Clifford Etienne.