Is Arguello as great as Chavez?

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Because I certainly feel he is, though I feel Chavez is in general held high in a slightly higher regard than Arguello is on this forum. I'm honestly not sure why.

    As far as I know, Arguello moved through the weights in a far more natural way than Chavez, who was really straining to make 130 at one point and time.

    In my remarkably (probably not) humble opinion there is a lot of filler on Chavez's record, and he cherry picked a bit at times. Arguello has a very deep resume and I'm honestly not sure if Chavez's record stack ups, irregardless of the shininess of his numbers on paper. Like I said, filler.

    Alexis Arguello took on some incredibly stern opposition throughout his entire career, and even his more obscure wins like Art Hafey are extremely impressive. Just because the average boxing fan doesn't know anything about Art Hafey doesn't mean he wasn't an incredible fighter, the man knocked out a 72-3 Ruben Olivares less than a year before the 22 year old Arguello knocked him out in five.

    Thoughts? Am I correct in my feelings that Chavez is, indeed, held in higher regard around here than Arguello for some reason? Is that warranted?
     
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  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not sure he is.
     
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  3. J Jones

    J Jones Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No!
     
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  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    59-0 Julio Cesar Chavez, 25 years old, felt the needs to drag a 34 year old Bazooka Limon out of retirement in 1988.

    WHY
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Very interesting question! On balance I would say a tentative yes!
     
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  6. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think they are probably very close to each other on an all time p4p list and AA does get his fair due here I think ..
     
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  7. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    I doubt very much that Chavez did anything of the sort. Limon was broke, had fought about a year before and fought for six years after.
    Chavez fought regularly for the duration of his career. Off the top of my head I can't think of top guys that he missed.
    I love Chavez but Arguello is my idol. Spent so many hours on the heavy bag pretending to be him that, to this day, people that know remark that I throw punches like him.
     
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  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bit unbecoming and beneath someone with 59 professional fights, a superstar who's already emerged and was already considered a great talent/P4P fighter.

    If he did Limon a favor and got him a payday... sure... anything else... ehhh, pretty ridiculous.
     
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  9. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    It is not "unbecoming" or "beneath" him at all. He was looking for a keep busy fight. Some promoter was excited to get a chance to have Chavez on his show. Bazooka Limon says I need money, I'll fight Chavez. The promoter now has two legends on his show. Promoter makes money, Limon makes money, Chavez stays busy. That's how it works.
     
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  10. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think there's very little in it but i'd personally probably rank Chavez slightly higher.
     
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  11. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What I meant is I don’t think Chavez is more highly regarded on here as Arguello.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    These two are so close you can debate either way with plenty of credibility. They are extremely close on most all time lists often with Chavez a smite in front but they are so close together it's negligible.
     
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  13. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Arguello was greater. And I tell you this, head to head at eachs best weight 130, Alexis Arguello KNOCKS OUT Julio Cesar Chavez ZZZZ ZZZZ
     
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  14. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At 130, I pick NOONE, not Mayweather, Camacho Nelson Saddler Lom as nchenko NOONE over Arguello. 130-GREATEST EVER!!!! :)
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I don't think anybody would knock out Chavez at 130, probably 135 for that matter too and even 140 in his early days there. The guy was 90 pro fights in before anyone even knocked him down. He'd won heavens knows how many titles and championship fights by then and was up in his third championship winning division. The guy never looked like being stopped until he was over the hill.

    Arguello was extremely durable as well. It's not far below a Monzon - Hagler type affair for durability.
     
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