If the FOTC was a 12-round fight? Who wins?

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  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the FOTC was a 12-round fight? Who wins?

    Does this all-time classic, become the now routine
    "all I need is 7 rounds, and I outbox my opponent".

    In the 15 round fight, Frazier made big impressions
    on the judges, in the 11th & 15th rounds with putting
    Ali on "qu**r street", or knocking Ali down.

    (The Fight Plan of Ali vs Frazier #2:
    "The only violation," Perez said after the bout, "is if you held and hit at the same time. Ali was holding, but he wasn't hitting."

    Futch reviewed the film and said Ali had held Frazier 133 times during the fight.

    Mark Kram of Sports Illustrated wrote:
    In the end, it was a unanimous decision for Ali: ring generalship over a one-man army fighting a war of attrition. If the fight ever seemed close, it was only because of Frazier's incessant pursuit, which cannot fail to impress even those who may consider it plug ugly, and the occasional bursts—spaced far too far apart—of his left hook. For years it had been sudden evil, yet now it seemed only a moderately bad dream to Ali. For Ali knew what he was about on this night, recalling all the little things that make one a survivor: tying an opponent up, clever volleying when it would count the most, skirting sure trouble like a bank robber.)
     
  2. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Scores were 8-6-1, 9-6, 11-4 for Frazier.

    I suppose (don't know if that's true) that all 3 judges gave Frazier rounds 13-15. In that case, it would've been a draw: 5-6-1, 6-6, 8-4.
     
  3. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    Assuming the twelve rounds went the same as the first twelve rounds in real life, Frazier would have won a split decision: 8-4 and 9-3 on the judges' cards, with Ali winning 6-5-1 according to the referee.
     
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  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Would have panned out approximately the same - Frazier wins a distinct yet close decision.
     
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Smoke would have still won a decision. Would have if the fight had been scheduled for 20 rounds. That was Joe at his ultimate best. Only thing about twelve rounds is we'd have probably been denied that beautiful, perfect left hook dropping Ali.
     
  6. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Frazier adjusts his strategy and still wins.
     
  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pace is everything and when you know you have 3 more rounds to go you are going to conserve a bit in the tank. Having said that - for the sake of the subject matter - I scored it 7-6-2 for Frazier giving rounds 13 & 15 to Joe and round 14 to Ali. If it was a 12 rounder, I had it 5-5-2 Even. However, the NY scoring allowed supplemental points to be employed in the event of a judge having an even card. Therefore, I would add an extra point to Frazier's score for his 11th round and turn in an 6-5-2 score for Frazier.
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    If it were set for only 12 rounds, it wouldn't have been the FOTC.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You got that right.
     
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  10. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gentlemen: Excellent analyses & comments ^.
     
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  12. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe's 11th round would have sealed a UD for Joe. 10-8.