Marciano v.s. Bruno ?

I guess my fault. I just challenged the notion that Marciano's win over Charles be disregarded as a "struggle against an old light heavy" when Charles was less than two years older and actually out weighed the Rock in their second bout, and Charles left LHW at a young age of 26.

That was my point. Regarding Bruno, Rocky comes in at 192 and executes his Joe Louis strategy to grind the big lug down for the mid round KO...that is unless Bruno hyperventilates before....thats that.

While we are at, Charles stops Bruno late. Maybe Bruno beats Cokell, maybe..Bruno dont have too many sure things. Maybe Cokell uses his "one night invincibility" cheat, and Bruno gets tired of hitting him and falls into the ropes from a couple punches late..and gets stopped.

 

And yet the hysteria of the Rockophobes seems completely rational?

 

Well, yeah, he does have to be over 175 to be a heavyweight.
Otherwise, he's a LHW beating HWs. I can't disagree with that.

And, while I'd agree with you that at 166 or whatever he might still have been more of a middleweight than a light-heavyweight, (ie. a middleweight on the large size who didn't need to make weight for non-title fights) it's not the same thing as him being "a sub-175 heavyweight", which is impossible beyond debate (or so I would think ....).

 

Hey don’t knock the US Army weight requirements data. It’s still my proudest work!

 

Well, i'd agree with the gist of that.
The fact is, he'd fought fit and lean in the 182 to 192 pound range for about 25 fights over the previous 4 or 5 years leading up to the Marciano fights, so he's proven at that weight range .... which was heavyweight.


Bruno pummels Cokell.
Charles beats Bruno, I agree.

 

Yes I see what you mean. Over 175 to be a heavyweight himself. I will take that.

But to go from middle to LHW he dosnt have to be 175 because 161-175 covers the limit?

 

This is beyond doubt.

 

Yeah, Bruno's only real answer to Tyson was to grab and pull on the back of his neck. People make a big deal out of Bruno wobbling Tyson a bit later on in the round with a couple of hard punches but most of his stuff was desperate wrestling. Bruno's jab was almost useless.
Bruno's success in the fight was grossly exaggerated, for a couple of reasons. 1. Tyson hadn't often been wobbled at all, and 2. As you say, he looked completely doomed with seconds, so taking a beating over 5 rounds was something remarkable.

 

Technically, strictly speaking, 161 must be within LHW, because it is over the MW limit.
But we know that's not true in reality. A fighter weighing 161 in a non-title fight is almost certainly a middleweight. It would be very unusual for it to be something otherwise.

 

No no, I was just establishing what folks thought the perameter should be on the subject.

LHW is an odd fish. There were not that many card carrying LHW exclusive to the division since so many tangled with heavyweight opponents and those less than 170 seen as a middleweight.

 

If Frank can get his jab working he would cut the rock to ribbons Brunos jab was a real weapon and he had the power to take anyone out he connects with but I think Rocky would get in close and rumble standing on Brunos feet and smashing the hooks rights and elbows until the ref stops it in about seven.good fight a bit like a HW Moore Duran.

 

You are such a nonsense, and a lying one at that

Lord help us.

 

The parameter of the time is abundantly clear!!! Technically anything between 160 and 175 is light heavyweight. How this could even be debated i will never know.

Near as good as the average weight fiasco.