An actual attempt at organizing a list of historys all time hardest hitters

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Earnie Shaver's is an important figure in this list for a variety of reasons. So is the commentary of a handful of individuals throughout boxing history (Muhammad Ali, Archie Moore, various fighters that fought Shavers including men like James Tillis who also fought the likes of Tyson.)

    Earnie was a bright fixture in boxings heavyweight Golden Era and having a gauge for his power, in my opinion, is a good starting point for sorting through some of the more likely candidates for making up a quality, realistic list of boxings biggest hitters. He's the consensus hardest hitter (I believe) among the men he fought, and also the fans.

    I'm attempting to start doing this by organizing the fighters into tiers, as opposed to ranking them numerically. Ranking them so specifically is in my opinion unnecessary, beyond things becoming impossible to rank and quantify at a certain point I don't think there's much of a difference between many of the fighters I'm going to offer up as candidates. The 70's and there abouts really were a quality time in boxing and they the era was rife with massive punchers.

    And I'm having a computer freeze up and need to save this in some format before I lose it. I'll continue in post two.
     
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    So here is my initial rough draft, including fighters who fought around Shaver's time that were said to be of comparable power. Am I missing anyone?

    Bernardo Mercado - a 6'4 Colombian with massive power. Had a wild shoot out with fellow puncher Earnie Shavers and came out on top. Knocked out the iron chinned Trevor Berbick in 79" with a single punch in the first round, something no other fighter, even a primed young Mike Tyson several years later, would ever even remotely duplicate. I recall reading a story years ago about the referee, or other some experienced official ringside commentating on how it was the hardest punch they had ever seen land in their years following boxing, like a gun going off.

    Jeff Sims - Another lanky puncher at 6'3 who would dish it out a whole lot better than they could take it. Broke a young Tyrell Biggs collarbone with a punch, and I believe who's power drew comparison's to Shaver's.

    Jeff "Candy Slim" Merrit - Another fighter who I believe drew comparisons to Shavers and shared a certain period of time with career wise. I want to say I recall a story of Merrit breaking Shaver's jaw in the ring during a sparring encounter? His life is like something out of a movie. He took out the once iron chinned Ron Stander just a few years after Stander had taken Shaver's best and rallied back to stop "The Acorn". Stander was never the same after the likes of Merrit and Frazier put him through the meat grinder.

    And then of course there's Earnie himself. Others on the list would have to be the likes of Joe Louis, George Foreman, Wladimir Klitschko, David Tua. Who else to round out a top 10 for sheer power?

    There's also old time punchers like Choynski, Fitzsimmons, Maher, Langford to an extent, who are all really something like modern super middleweights or light heavyweights, if that in some cases. I'm not quite sure whether to rank them in their own separate category while trying to figure all of this out, or what.
     
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  3. Russell

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    I think some of the South African bombers might quantify for their raw power... the likes of Kallie Knoetze and Johnny Du Plooy. Hmmm.
     
  4. Longhhorn71

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    Gerry Coetzee had his fist 'welded' together. I think Sports Illustrated might have published some
    photos of the X-rays of The Fist.

    FYI: Coetzee may now be classified as a "Dental Technician". LOL
    https://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/gerrie-coetzee-acquitted-1524427
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    I myself would give Liston, Tyson, Lewis and Cooney very serious consideration.
     
  6. Russell

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    There are also men that are set apart in their own era as being the games numero uno puncher, one without equal... Such was the case for Bob Satterfield, who I believe Archie Moore cited as the hardest puncher he had ever faced. So, while making an all time list, I've come to the conclusion that there's going to be some 180 something pound (at the heaviest) guys on it one way or another :eek:
     
  7. Russell

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    Was he ever as highly touted for his power as some of the more crude African bangers were? Did they really make the right hand into that much of a gimmick? :risas3:
     
  8. Russell

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    In a top ten list?

    Surely (lol airplane joke) you've got to think that a lot of the boxers that you mentioned, well, their ability comes from other attributes beyond just their power, like punch placement, perhaps just skill in general. Blazing speed and accuracy in say Tyson's case.

    I'm talking about raw power, other attributes be damned. Surely not the very best were also the hardest all time punchers?
     
  9. Longhhorn71

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    Yes...Coetzee was previously known for his power....the later "welded" right hand repair was mentioned
    on TV telecasts just to kinda keep things interesting during pre-fight introductions
     
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  10. Russell

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    What do you feel are the best displays of his powers, best showings of it?
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    Love that movie. I think Tyson's power gets a bit understated because of that speed and accuracy. I do understand the aim for raw power, many can't get past (no name mentioned lol) the fact that someone doesn't need a string of ko's over top 10 opposition to be a harder hitter than someone that has higher profile stoppages.

    I do think the guys i mentioned have oodles of raw power. Of course when it comes to power it's a very cloudy and controversial topic.
     
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    "Russell asked: What do you feel are the best displays of his powers, best showings of it?"
    Spinks came out aggressively and attacked early winging big power punches and pressing Coetzee into the ropes. Coetzee avoiding much of Spinks attack and responded with some decent shots of his own. A right hand behind the ear sent Spinks down face-first at 1:19. He struggled, but got to his feet at the count of three despite being on wobbly legs. Spinks attempted to hold as Coetzee came forward throwing right hands. A right hand sent an off-balance Spinks down for the second time at 1:38. He again was up quickly and allowed to continue. Coetzee landed three consecutive power punches that sent Spinks stumbling forward across the ring, sprawled onto the ropes, and down for the third and final time.

    Coetzee was a B+ fighter with a heavy right hand.
    (Kinda like Ingo.....somebody could go at any time.)
    That was what made watch him interesting to watch in the days
    when Larry Holmes was satisfied to take decisions.


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  13. Minotauro

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    Ezzard Charles said Satterfield was the hardest hitter he face LaMotta said the same. Archie said Curtis Sheppard was the hardest hitter he faced don't believe he ever fought Satterfield.
     
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    Lol just lol
     
  15. Russell

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    I believe you're correct about the "Hatchet Man". My mistake.

    Archie did fight Satterfield though, I saw the bout on boxrec just yesterday. Just checked and they fought in 49'.

    Thanks for your thoughtful and well constructed contribution. I'll mull it over some and get back to you.