Early 21st Century thoughts on the middleweight division with 17 years in the books.

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Questions:

    Has the talent level been Good, Above average, Average, Below Average, or Poor?

    What were the best fights to watch?

    And finally, if you put together a top 10 from 2000-2017 at 160 pounds, what would it look like.

    My thoughts:

    1 ) Above average talent, with two sure-fire hall of active fame fighters, and perhaps a third that will eventually be enshrined.

    2 ) There haven't been many great middleweight fights, partly to the dominance of Hopkins and GGG.

    3 ) My top ten from 2000-2017 in a who beats who sense:

    GGG
    Hopkins
    Martinez
    Pavlik
    Taylor
    Canelo
    Jacobs
    BJ Sanders - A bit of a gamble as his career isn't close to over, I think he's very good.
    Abraham
    Pirog
     
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    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Very graphic, so, u got canelo 5 places below GGG who he just drew with.

    And no surprise a grinning 3G sitting on top of everyone. The only thing you didnt write is "Mendoza drew this 2017".
     
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    If there was any weight divisions that hadn't been introduced into boxing, I wish it were the light middleweights but particularly the super middleweights. I really feel the decline in quality of the middleweight division over the past 20 years or so has been fighters too quickly moving up from middleweight. Once you get over 147, it makes sense to increase the space between the weights and it creates deeper weight classes in terms of talent. The old welterweight to middleweight jump of 13 pounds and then 15 pounds from middleweight to lightheavy was perfect. I actually think the introduction of the cruiserweights made perfect sense as the new inbetweener weight class. But light middle and super middle messed up the middleweight division.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Well-- Hopkins had 11 title defenses in the 2000's at middle weight, he lost twice to Taylor, and his best win was likely over Tito, a welter weight moving up. Using your logic, you probably have Taylor above Hopkins as he beat him twice!

    I think GGG has had more title defenses, and looked more dominant in the 2000's, which is why I put him #1.

    GGG beat Canelo in the eyes of the overwhelming media people who scored the fight and the draw came from one very bad judge who scored it for Canelo. My intention here is not to smother you with facts on GGG vs Canelo so lets move on form your point and let the other posters comment.
     
  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    so his defences before 2001 are not a reflection of his ability as a MW in the year 2001?

    only if you pretend Taylor has 20 defences too. no.


    3G is still behind half of Hopkins total, like it or lump it.


    no.

    u fail all 3 points.
     
  6. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    21st century starts in 2001, it doesnt include 2000. So its 16 years.

    I guess that you are one of those bright sparks who had your millenium party in the wrong millenia, dude.

     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    in the past seventeen years?? wtf