Prime Evander Holyfield vs Holmes Title Opponents

JohnThomas1 · Jan 6, 2018

choklab said: ↑

I see what you mean but I think Williams had all of the same kinds of attributes as Bowe had. Obviously, overall Bowe was better, but I have a hunch that Evander always was going to lose to the first skilful tall boxer he met in the HW division. It happened to be Bowe but it may well have been the Williams of the first Holmes fight. A good 15 rounds he put in there.
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Williams wasn't a patch on Bowe. He had a bad set of whiskers for starters!

Saad54 · Jan 6, 2018

I'm going with the version of each opponent that faced Holmes v. Prime Holyfield, not absolute prime opponent, so, in a way, Holyfield has the advantage here over Holmes and v. Holmes Opponents. I've bolded the matchups I think prime Holyfield would lose.

Note: as someone pointed out, OP forgot Marvis Frazier

Holyfield vs Norton: Norton Win UD Holyfield
Holyfield v. Evangelista: Holyfield KO 6 Evangelista
Holyfield v. Occasio: Holyfield KO 10 Ocasio
Holyfield v. Weaver: Holyfield Win UD Weaver
Holyfield v. Shavers: Holyfield TKO 10 Shavers
Holyfield v. Zanon: Holyfield KO 4 Zanon
Holyfield v. Jones: Holyfield TKO 11 Jones
Holyfield v. Ledoux: Holyfield TKO 9 LeDoux
Holyfield v. Berbick: Holyfield Win UD Berbick
Holyfield v. Leon Spinks: Holyfield TKO 8 Spinks
Holyfield v. Snipes: Holyfield win UD Snipes
Holyfield v. Cooney: Holyfield TKO 10 Cooney
Holyfield v. Cobb: Holyfield Win UD Cobb
Holyfield v. Rodriguez: Holyfield Win UD Rodriguez
Holyfield v. Witherspoon: Witherspoon TKO 10 Holyfield
Holyfield v. Frank: Holyfield TKO 9 Frank
Holyfield v. Frazier: Holyfield KO 5 Frazier
Holyfield v. BoneCrusher Smith: Holyfield Win UD Smith
Holyfield v. David Bey: Holyfield TKO 11 Bey
Holyfield v. Carl Williams: Holyfield TKO 7 Williams
Holyfield v. Michael Spinks: Michael Spinks W Split Dec Holyfield

choklab · Jan 6, 2018

JohnThomas1 said: ↑

Williams wasn't a patch on Bowe. He had a bad set of whiskers for starters!
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Not bad enough to handle a better version of Bert Cooper better than Holyfield did.

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BlackCloud · Jan 6, 2018

JohnThomas1 said: ↑

Jesus Christ.
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He still can't spell his surname!

InMemoryofJakeLamotta · Jan 6, 2018

Grapefruit said: ↑

Holyfields would go through most of them like butter, well except for

Shavers who would be the hardest fight, good thing holyfield has an iron chin here but he may hit the deck like Holmes if he gets caught.

Cobb would probably go the distance he was a very tough man but definitely get battered.

He would be very frustrated fighting michael sprinks and find him a very difficult and unusual opponent to adapt to, but as underrated as michael sprinks is I still can't imagine him beating a prime holyfield.

Norton would be a tough fight but also a short fight, I think norton gets k.o.ed by round 6
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Agree with all except I think Holyfield stops Shavers clearly and convincingly. I'd even pick the CW Holyfield from Qawi 2 to when he stopped De Leon to beat Shavers.

choklab · Jan 6, 2018

BlackCloud said: ↑

He still can't spell his surname!
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Are you still here?

I thought you spent your entire days sifting through the archives for more evidence of irrational Marciano nut huggery?

Welcome back!

BlackCloud · Jan 6, 2018

choklab said: ↑

Are you still here?

I thought you spent your entire days sifting through the archives for more evidence of irrational Marciano nut huggery?

Welcome back!
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Btw, you missed editing your first post!

InMemoryofJakeLamotta · Jan 6, 2018

Fergy said: ↑

Shavers could drag holy into a war where both men are rocked.
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I keep thinking about the Quarry blow out and in my mind, a prime HW Holyfield was clearly superior to Quarry. I could see it being a war if Holyfield has a performance like he did with Bert Cooper, if he has a performance like he did vs old Foreman, Holyfield wraps up Shavers early in a one sided fight. Some of those shots he rocked Foreman with would've put Shavers to bed.

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InMemoryofJakeLamotta · Jan 6, 2018

choklab said: ↑

I don’t think Evander would do very well unless we use the same performance over and over. The Tyson performance was one fight. The Douglas performance was one fight. If we use his Douglas performance with Norton - who was far less reluctant than Douglas- he might not win that one. Then after that loss he gets to use his Foreman performance against Evangelista, well he would win that, then with the shakey Cooper performance he might go life and death with Ocasio. The night he fought Holmes, Evander would get Weaver who I know was better than Cooper and Foreman. That’s a 50-50 fight. And this is what? Two years into seven years of this?

Don’t get me wrong, what was great about Evander is his career was never going to drop off after one hard loss. He always comes back. He lost to Moorer. Moorer would not win more than what? Three fights on this list? But then Evander beat him back a few years later. So I cannot dismiss Holyfeild winning a rematch with Norton. People say Larry didn’t have rematches but Evander would actually need them to win the belt back. He could be a five time champion with Larrys challengers. Like Ray Robinson was at middleweight.

I think a guy like Berbick would be problematic. I think Witherspoon beats him. I think Williams beats him. I think Cooney would at least be life and death. Snipes 50-50. Bey would be hard. Jones would be tough. Cobb would be rougher for Evander than Larry.

The fights I see Evander win are Lexoux, Rodriguez, Frank,Evangelista, Shavers, jones, Smith, Marvis Frazier, Leon Spinks, old man Ali, as the only ones I would put my house on Evander winning - and some of those would be very hard fights. Harder than Larry made them look.
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I didn't include that pitiful version of Ali because I thought it'd go without saying that any prime/near prime version of Holyfield would maul Ali at that point in a "fight" that would resemble a hyena torturing a wounded antelope on the nature channel.

InMemoryofJakeLamotta · Jan 6, 2018

Contro said: ↑

Spinks is a stylistic problem, he would confuse holyfield but holyfield is physically too much for him. Holyfield really punishes him and stops him late
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I'd favor Spinks, Michael that is, over a CW Holyfield like I favor Floyd Patterson over CW Holyfield. Holyfield at heavy, I think his physicality would be too much for both men, but it could be competitive still.

InMemoryofJakeLamotta · Jan 6, 2018

Saad54 said: ↑

I'm going with the version of each opponent that faced Holmes v. Prime Holyfield, not absolute prime opponent, so, in a way, Holyfield has the advantage here over Holmes and v. Holmes Opponents. I've bolded the matchups I think prime Holyfield would lose.

Note: as someone pointed out, OP forgot Marvis Frazier

Holyfield vs Norton: Norton Win UD Holyfield
Holyfield v. Evangelista: Holyfield KO 6 Evangelista
Holyfield v. Occasio: Holyfield KO 10 Ocasio
Holyfield v. Weaver: Holyfield Win UD Weaver
Holyfield v. Shavers: Holyfield TKO 10 Shavers
Holyfield v. Zanon: Holyfield KO 4 Zanon
Holyfield v. Jones: Holyfield TKO 11 Jones
Holyfield v. Ledoux: Holyfield TKO 9 LeDoux
Holyfield v. Berbick: Holyfield Win UD Berbick
Holyfield v. Leon Spinks: Holyfield TKO 8 Spinks
Holyfield v. Snipes: Holyfield win UD Snipes
Holyfield v. Cooney: Holyfield TKO 10 Cooney
Holyfield v. Cobb: Holyfield Win UD Cobb
Holyfield v. Rodriguez: Holyfield Win UD Rodriguez
Holyfield v. Witherspoon: Witherspoon TKO 10 Holyfield
Holyfield v. Frank: Holyfield TKO 9 Frank
Holyfield v. Frazier: Holyfield KO 5 Frazier
Holyfield v. BoneCrusher Smith: Holyfield Win UD Smith
Holyfield v. David Bey: Holyfield TKO 11 Bey
Holyfield v. Carl Williams: Holyfield TKO 7 Williams
Holyfield v. Michael Spinks: Michael Spinks W Split Dec Holyfield
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I can see Spinks winning a split decision, but please explain Witherspoon stopping Holyfield in 10?

Fergy · Jan 6, 2018

InMemoryofJakeLamotta said: ↑

I keep thinking about the Quarry blow out and in my mind, a prime HW Holyfield was clearly superior to Quarry. I could see it being a war if Holyfield has a performance like he did with Bert Cooper, if he has a performance like he did vs old Foreman, Holyfield wraps up Shavers early in a one sided fight. Some of those shots he rocked Foreman with would've put Shavers to bed.

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Or it could turn into a Alex Stewart type fight, with holy field taking the hard punches to come back and stop shavers late on .

Big Ukrainian · Jan 6, 2018

InMemoryofJakeLamotta said: ↑

Holyfield vs

Norton
Evangelista
Occasio
Weaver
Shavers
Zanon
Jones
Ledoux
Berbick
Leon Spinks
Snipes
Cooney
Cobb
Rodriguez
Witherspoon
Frank
BoneCrusher Smith
David Bey
Carl Williams
Michael Spinks

Who gives Holyfield the most trouble? Who may upset Holyfield? Who does Holyfield beat easily and decisively?
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Out of these, I can see Holyfield losing one or two. At his very best he could beat them all, but Evander wasn't the most consistent HW.

Harderst opponents for Holy to beat would be
Norton
Witherspoon
Williams (till he gets caught)
M Spinks

Serious challengers also would be (not much chance of winning vs Holy, but all would be tough fights)
Weaver
Shavers
Berbick
Snipes
Cooney
Smith

Easy opponents with Holy in no danger of losing these fights at any moment

Evangelista
Occasio
Zanon
Jones
Ledoux
Leon Spinks
Cobb
Rodriguez
Frank
David Bey

NoNeck · Jan 6, 2018

Spinks should beat a 36 year old Evander. He should beat the rest, but he wasn’t consistent like Holmes so he’d probably lose at least once.

Berbick would have a chance of winning via Ruiz impersonation.

InMemoryofJakeLamotta · Jan 6, 2018

Big Ukrainian said: ↑

Out of these, I can see Holyfield losing one or two. At his very best he could beat them all, but Evander wasn't the most consistent HW.

Harderst opponents for Holy to beat would be
Norton
Witherspoon
Williams (till he gets caught)
M Spinks

Serious challengers also would be (not much chance of winning vs Holy, but all would be tough fights)
Weaver
Shavers
Berbick
Snipes
Cooney
Smith

Easy opponents with Holy in no danger of losing these fights at any moment

Evangelista
Occasio
Zanon
Jones
Ledoux
Leon Spinks
Cobb
Rodriguez
Frank
David Bey
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Michael Spinks under hardest to beat category and Leon Spinks under easiest to beat category

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