Stop basing fighters ability off their old/worst fights

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  1. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've seen so many posts here similar to: "Wilder/Joshua was knocked out/beaten by a cab driver in the ams", etc...

    The poster is referring to fights YEARS AGO.

    WHO CARES? All that really matters is their ability now...bringing up these fights from years ago is like saying "Michael Jordan sucks because he failed to make his high school team when he tried out"....that's TRUE, Jordan did fail to make it on his first attempt....but you gotta look at what he went on to do..same with boxers...it doesn't really matter what happened years ago, look at them NOW.
     
  2. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    What about bashing fighters based on their own talk when their actual skills/performance/choice of opposition paint a radically different picture?
     
  3. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ok, looking at Wilder now.. lemme look, ssshhh, looking, still looking..


    Yeah still bang average.
     
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  4. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

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    That's why I'm glad Prince Patel is my favorite boxer. Prince doesn't lose.
     
  5. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Mentioning the legendary Jordan and Wilder in the same post should be illegal.
     
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  6. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Prince Patel is to Hungary what Wilder is to Alabama.
     
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  7. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Here come Joshuas dick blowers to the rescue BoxingDomain lmao. Here lies the problem lol.
     
  8. BoxingDomain

    BoxingDomain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My point applies to ALL boxers, not just Wilder and Joshua. Yes, I watch both of their fights...not sure I'd call myself a "fan" of either...but again, they were just used as my examples, it could be any boxer.
     
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  9. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nobody was bashing Wilder about his losses in the ams or his Scorniers knockdown when he was more humble and level-headed just a short 3 years ago. Yes, people said he's vulnerable and all, but nobody hated a guy who said he had a lot to learn and wants to make it to the top through hard work.

    Fast forward 3 years, and Wilder is crying that he is not getting the attention he deserves, he says everyone is ducking him, he whines how the boxing industry is rigged against him because he's black (which is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while) and he demands 50/50 because he's the A side and everyone else is a step below him.

    Wilder deserves all the hate. He's asking for it.
     
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  10. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Good thread OP, but it's more relevant to how haters point out about lomachenko's struggled against Salido than the other two fighters you mentioned above.
    We know how much Loma has improve since, but a lot here will point to that single loss about how he failed to contain a certain style, which IMHO is not true.
    AJ has his share of detractors, a lot of people here are fans of Wladimir, including myself, but respect are given cause he won fair and square and proven his worth.
    Now, wilder obviously is better than his amateur days but he talks louder than he walks, he still sucks as so far he has proven against nobody.
     
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  11. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    He's Hungary for those belts.
     
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  12. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol you’re dead right,I use this yardstick to see if they are just a Lomo hater as we all know Salido came in as Welterweight and was close to being stopped late on anyway.
    Rematch is pointless as Lomo would win so easily now,anyway ten of Lomochenkos eleven fights have all been world title fights against some very impressive opposition,haters had him losing to Walters and more recently Rigo and now there mantra will be he’ll lose to Gervonta Davis or Mikey Garcia lol.
     
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  13. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just as Sparring stories have no basis either,AJ has apparently been hurt a few times in sparring and has said as much but he’s shown against Wlad that it’s how you deal with on the night that counts.
    Steve Bunce who was ringside that night insists that AJ was out cold when he hit the canvas from that big right hand,I don’t remember it quite as bad as that but then again I wasn’t ringside,him getting up slowly and taking the count was equally impressive for someone so inexperienced I thought.
     
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  14. stiflers mum

    stiflers mum Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm Australian,don't like basketball.know nothing about it teams,rules etc. But even I know who Michael Jordan is.
     
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  15. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True, I try to go more by technical ability than record, however, that's kind of hard to do in boxing.

    As far as Wilder goes; he is what he is. His late-comer status and lack of amateur experience do make him sort of a questionmark. However, thus far he's done almost 100% of what's been asked of him. I think people like to point out his amateur losses to show he's not unbeatable, which is true, he's not unbeatable. Same goes for Joshua too.

    I try to avoid summing up a fighter on the result of a single fight whether that is a good result or bad result.
     
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