The problem is those guys I've listed in a "clean" top ten, haven't done enough for me to say they're in the ATG top ten above those you wanted me to dismiss. Whilst the dismissed list of fighter have all been proven cheaters, they have also been proven clean by many many negative tests throughout their career and in those clean fights they still did enough imo to be amongst the top ten ever. So yeah, I don't agree with your criteria. What would your top ten look like?
My main problem is having Jones at a top 5 atg. The guy has always had every physical advantage in every fight and has been caught cheating multiple times. Sorry, but he doesn’t make the cut for me.
I wouldn't say he's had every physical advantage, it's a 205 vs a 205 fighter. That aside you can't have a problem with Jones and not the others, that's unfair and unrepresentative. Either we go off actual results and dismiss those were cheating was proven or we dismiss the entire career of these guys, but dismissing Jones means we have to dismiss a whole host of fighters. It's one thing saying "Barnett couldn't beat Couture without PEDS" that's fine I can live with that and might actually agree cos otherwise why would he use them. But it's another saying "Barnett is not an ATG HW because he cheated" he has cheated, it's undeniable but he also has lots of great wins where he didn't fail a test. Same logic applies with Jones imo.
A 205 fighter vs a 205 fighter? Are you kidding me? Jones had a huge reach advantage on some of his opponents and was a much bigger man of fight night. As far as not calling Jones and Barnett atg’s. Once again, if they were caught cheating multiple times, it is very likely tat they were cheating for other fights as well but didn’t get caught. I can excuse fighters who were only caught one time as there is no evidence that they had a pattern of cheating.
Yeah but weight classes aren't separated by reach, they're separated by weight. You just need to work on your consistency is all mate.
Does that not mean he still didn’t have big physical advantages?? Please don’t argue for the sake of arguing.
Most fighters have advantages in some areas, but ultimately the weight classes are separated by weight so in that sense two 205 men are evenly matched.
I'm not arguing for arguing sake anyways. I just feel with proven cheats you either dismiss specific fights or dismiss a career. I also feel two men at a weight class is a fair match.
Why are you so godd@mn annoying? It's his list and his reasons. You've made your arguments. This is not a hard problem to solve. If you don't like his list, make your own.
Why did he post a list on here if he didn’t expect people to criticize it. Go hump your pillow you dip****.
There is a difference in criticizing and being a f@cking nuisance. What if Jon Jones cheated this way...what if Jon Jones cheated that way...why are Jones' arms so long...where was Jones when Jonbenet Ramsey was killed...what if Jones colluded with Russia...Jesus Christ already
