"Fighter A ran all night!" - 1st off, he probably didn't; 2nd, even if he did, it doesn't mean B won

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Should the combatants' disposition be divorced from scoring in boxing?

  1. Yes they should be separate. All scoring ought to be objective and devoid of stylistic preference.

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  2. No, they're integrally connected. Punish even tactical retreat & reward even ineffective aggression.

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    People really need to stop using this faulty logic.

    Discuss.
     
  2. BCS8

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    IntentionalButt is MVC!!!!!

    He's coming out of the troll closet :eek:
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    In very few cases of televised boxing have we seen an opponent literally run away with virtually no effort to engage for the majority of a match's duration. Julio David Roque Ler did so versus Jorge Arce, for which he basically has found himself banished from America TV ever since. Andre Dirrell vs. Curtis Stevens is another example, and while he didn't get banned from the screen or shunned by matchmakers (unlike Ler he was simply too good to ignore, despite the unsavory aspects of his craven nature) most fans have never forgiven him for it.

    That pair of examples also perfectly illustrates the dichotomy that should be the dividing line between a situation where the runner loses (as Ler rightfully did), and the opposite situation where he wins (as Dirrell rightfully did). Arce couldn't do much with Ler and did very little that was effective, but everything that was done effectively in the matchwas done by him. Stevens failed to cut the ring off and came up with no creative solutions. As negative as Dirrell was he snuck in a tiny bit of effective work, enough that Stevens' utter DEARTH of effective work meant that you had to award the lion's share of individual rounds and ultimately the contest to Dirrell.

    Even in situations where Fighter A is actually running (and not simply boxing, interspersing dedensive movement with actively scoring counterpunching or pot-shotting), you don't magically gift Fighter B with points just for coming forward. Ever. He actually has to DO something effective. The onus is on him to chase Fighter A down and score on him. If neither lands anything, you have a 10-10 round.

    Guys that have never spent a match flat-out running:

    Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    Erislandy Lara
    Iván Calderón

    ...yet critics of these boxers or their styles fall back on the lazy argument "he ran all night!! :crybaby2:" frequently when discussing their fights and faced with no actual recourse based in soundly reasoned out logic. Time we end this platitude of dumb histrionic rhetoric.

    Next time a moron losing a debate about the scoring of a fight inaccurately plays the "running" card, let's call them out and provide a link for this pillorying thread, a sober reminder of them having no leg to stand on in a real argument, or else no clue what running in a boxing match actually resembles.
     
  4. james5000

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    The most pathetic example of a fighter (not fans mind you) accusing another fighter of running has to be the Hebrew hammer.

    So laugable, bloke gets flattened pretty much every round and accuses the other bloke of being scared. The hammer was too scared to throw punches.
     
  5. M.3

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    Lara vs Canelo was close to Lara running until he randomly stopped to throw a punch and then go backwards more.. He didn't just move around, he didn't go near Canelo at all...
     
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  6. N17

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    I agree, quite a lot of those people are who accuse fighters of running are actually involved in boxing.

    Team Canelo recently said they wasn't interested in fighting BJS because apparently "he runs like Lara".

    Now when you have a fighter/team with a high profile saying stuff like that it doesn't help some people understand the difference.
     
  7. james5000

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    Lara can try to run in his next fight but Jarrett Hurd is too relentless and will force him to fight.

    Unlike a scaredy cat PW who seemed to be hurt by every punch Jarrett is iron and is built to fight. PW looked like he was built for basketball.

    It is one of my most eagerly anticipated fights of 2018 and I better see Hurd on p4p lists when he stomps him
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    See that's a bad example IMO; what Lara did was outbox Canelo and refuse to brawl with him on his terms, he didn't "run".
     
  9. BCS8

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    All things being equal, I'll give the nod to the guy coming forward.

    Of course if the guy coming forward gets outboxed, he loses.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    No. You shouldn't do that.

    All things being equal, 10-10.

    There's no "coming forward" bonus. That needs to stop already.
     
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  11. james5000

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    It's not a coming forward bonus, it's just part of ring control/generalship
     
  12. BCS8

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    And ... then we get this fight:

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  13. shoe

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    i take off points for running, unless your profession is running. that goes double for uncouth gypsies.
     
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  14. SnatchBox

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    I always imagine this is MVC
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  15. SnatchBox

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    You wanker