"Fighter A ran all night!" - 1st off, he probably didn't; 2nd, even if he did, it doesn't mean B won

I have never seen Lara run as much as he did against Canelo.

After round 4 Lara did not want to fight anymore. He reverted back to his amateur style which doesn't win you fights in the pros.

At one point he runs do fast he almost fell outside the ring.

Definitely a close fight on a personal round basis, but Lara was too negative for 2/3 of the fight.

You've been a pretty loud Canelo hater lately. I called you on it I think in one of the Saunders threads.

 

I really liked Camacho but i remember he fought some dude long ago (edwin rosario??) and well, it was some of the worst running i had ever seen, hector was jogging around the dude in the later rounds, yet he was having success, tough fight to score.

 

I heard Hughie Fury even ran home after the Parker fight. No one really knows if he has stopped, even to this day.

 

Good thread IB and nice take too.
I disagree with awarding a Rd to a "runner" who lands only a handful of singular jabs and the odd counter even when they may have been the cleanest shots we remember.
Especially if B is pushing the tempo, throwing in combination and pressing off the front foot.

If landed punches are close while # thrown go wide to B, the Rd should go to B.

He forced the tempo, caused greater energy output (if even at his own determent) and tried to give fans and judges something to look at.

Flashy D is great... Trout v Cotto, Mayweather v Hatton, Lara vs PWilly, Ali vs Foreman, but all those fights had a common theme...
The defensive master also scored the more thunderous shots, and in many cases, controlling moments of each Rd off the front foot as well.

There are lots of ways to score a fight. And subjectiveness is a given to most of the cash cows.

Floyd Castillo 1 for instance...
Hard to find 5 clean to Floyd.

Just my subjective opinion in a close rd. Tempo. Distance. Punches thrown and their intent, and willingness to work off the front foot <<<<staying just outside of FIGHTING DISTANCE (=not fighting) pitter patter combos to momentarily cause aggressive fighter to reset, then flying back outside

 

Would it be more accurate to say fighter A was "in retreat" rather than " was running backwards"?

 

Let's say:

Fighter A lands 20/28 shots fighting moving back or circling/moving. "Runner"
Fighter B lands 20/36 shots being the aggressor, but missing more punches because of A's style.

I would award A because his moving forced B to miss.

However, if B lands the same, but using less shots than A, I would give B the nod.

 

Yup.

A boxing ring is more-or-less 20' by 20'. There is a reason for this.

If they wanted every fight to be Ward-Gatti, it would be 5' by 5'.

 

If action is limited and exchanges are more or less even, I credit the guy walking forward and not the one backpedaling.

If the backpedaler is doing significantly more work, he shouldn’t be penalized.

Ring generalship is a thing.

 

I voted for the 2nd, only because I think there's no option in between.

I don't think for the most part it matters, but in extremes I think it does. I score ineffective aggression if the other guy is considerably less active, even if say he lands 2 or 3 good shots compared to the mostly blocked shots of the aggressive fighter.

I think there's a part of me that says all things equal, the guy bringing the fight get's the edge.

If you choose to box on the outside and use movement, then you better do it with style and skill that's impressive.

I think for the most part guys like Floyd were able to mix defense and offense in a way that wasn't the worst thing in the world.. but the key to it was they work counters and don't just run out of every exchange.

 

Scoring is not about what you like to watch or wish would happen in a boxing match. Period.

 

The problem is when fighter A lands 10 shots at a 40% connect percentage but fighter B lands 15 shots at a 20% connect percentage, a lot of people who can't score properly still wanna give fighter A the round because he made the other guy miss more punches. Assuming all the punches are equal in effectiveness.

You can't score rounds by focusing on misses punches and ignoring landed punches.

 

Honestly its quite clear that those 49 more punches were attributed to the Jab of GGG... Not that big a deal when the opposing side is landing, hooks, crosses, upper cuts and body shots which kind of negates the jabs being thrown in the rounds which were really close.

 

A lot of those jabs "counted" were parried. Anytime a single jab or two land from fighter B, And is met with a clean power punch from fighter A I got to score it to fighter A. I also take Defense over ineffective aggression because being able to slip and weave punches takes actual skill to achieve. You know wut I look for when I score fights CST..