Joe Frazier in place of Tua ?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Frazier fighting in the 92 Olympic s then turns pro ,fighting the same guys as David Tua ?
    How's Frazier doing against president Ike ,does he beat the big man unlike Tua?
    And his shot against a ageing but dangerous Lewis?
    How s the smoke's career work out in the 90s ?
     
  2. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Unlike marciano,Frazier had similar frame to tua and they both fought in the amateurs in the 201 pounds limit at similar age.frazier in the 90s probably would have added 10-15 pounds of muscle ,he had the natural stamina to carry it well.frazier would clean the house. Frazier beats byrd,ike and he would get inside of lewis making pressure all the fight and finally would break him down.
     
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  3. Fergy

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    He'd have been a lot more successful IMO than Tua for a lot of the reasons you mention. I see him.outpointing Ike and out working Byrd for a late stoppage. He busts up Rahman totally.
    The Lewis fight ?I'm half and half on this. Part of me sees Frazier been stopped in a Foreman type KO. But maybe he gets inside Lewis and pressures him ,catching him time and time again till he break s him down for a late stoppage ?.
    That I find a tough one to decide.
     
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  4. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    They both got fat if thats what you mean.
     
  5. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    No. What i mean is the their skeletons was bigger/wider than rocky's
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    If that were true Tua would have NOT looked so chubby at 201Lb in his first pro fight.

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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Ike would be tough tho Frazier should definitely be favored. Frazier imo would get pumped by the Lewis Tua fought. The rest he'd go very well with i think.
     
  8. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Which is impossible to substaintiate, without access to all three men's skeletons.

    Wrist and Height ratio is loosely used to measure frame in the real world, but its hard to verify boxers promotional stats. All three men do fall into same denser than average range.

    I dont dispute Tua had a visibly denser frame but given his nutritional intake to gain some 50 pounds since turning pro, that is going to happen. The male skeleton is not mature into the mid 30s. So moot point.
     
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  9. juppity

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    Ike would give Frazier hell . Ike unlike Quarry wouldn't tire because of
    the hectic pace and be susceptible to cuts. Ike also had a better chin
    and was heavier. Frazier wins on pts but this fight could take a toll
    on Frazier. Ike complained of severe headaches after the fight
    and Tua chin was better than Frazier.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I agree. When will all this crap about skeletons go away? Does anybody believe that Years from now the National History museums will put the skeleton of the elephant man away in storage because the bones of David Tua would have eclipsed them with their fascinating abnormality?

    Tua was a physically enhanced fighter and the times he fought in were directly responsible for this. Simple as that.
     
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  11. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    It is nothing impossible, to know who has bigger frame is an easy thing to know.so stop talking fantasies
     
  12. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    I would not listen the opinion of choklab because this poor guy says that marciano had the frame of tua
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No he did not have the same frame as Tua, How could he? Tua had the elephant man bones. Child baring hips. Ribs of a dinosaur. He wore a belt intended to hold up trousers as his watch strap. The history museum has reserved a spot.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Marciano's wrist was 7.5" his fist 11'.5"
    Tua's Wrist 8.5" his fist13'.5"

    What physical enhancement would make your wrists and hands bigger?
     
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  15. choklab

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    Tua was a bit bigger. It’s like the difference between Berbick and Ali or Tucker and Truth Williams. Negligible.

    Don’t put too much into that tape measure baloney. People measure thicker when they are fatter.