What is a realistic fighting weight range that Rocky could move around in? Here’s what we know: He was in tremendous shape for his career. He was low fed, compared to today’s diets, and especially compared to the body types of modern HW competitors. He had to hide bananas under his bed from Goldman, whom considered regulating Rocky’s food intake as one of his primary roles. So if he were competing today, what would his weight range be, especially when you see guys who range from 190-240lb today?
Why is this so discussed to death on here? Marciano's "size". You know, it's almost like some kind of telling inadequacy that I can't quite put my finger on........
Why does it bother people that highly contested subjects are often discussed? Perhaps you have the inadequacy? A fear of the truth? A fear of big men? Anyone can play pseudo-Freud.
He could fight at 300 pounds if he wants. He wouldn't be great but I still wouldn't want to fight him.
It seems like many fighters today around the CW division blow up when they become a HW. They have more ground to cover in terms of weight gain than fighters in the past who regularly didn’t have to deal with giants. But they seem capable of putting on the 20-30lbs, and giving the best giants of their times fits. There seems to have been a two decades long push for Rocky to be confined to 180lb. Typically from modernist giant lovers. They find it just fine for “their guys” to jump 40lb and to look bloated. But god forbid you say that Louis or Rocky or Dempsey could’ve put on an easy 20lb and remained almost just as competitive, if not more against certain opponent types. They tryna marginalize the past greats.
Realistically he could be good at 220, maybe 230. But he wouldn't be great. He'd be just a pretty good fighter. He was great at 187. He could probably have been great at 202 or something, but not as great as he was at 187. Marciano fought at his ideal weight.
The fact that it's "highly contested" is foolish to begin with, because we saw Rocky at what we saw him weigh and anything besides a 180 or whatever pound Rocky is foolish speculation. Really, how many examples can you really think of within boxing discussion with someone going "Oh, if only ABC was forty pounds heavier and 6 inches taller!". Almost all of this size centric obsession begins at Marciano. It's a dead horse, and pure speculation that's gotten stale and irritating.
How can it be foolish speculation when guys like Holyfield, Tua, and countless other examples did exactly that? It’s become a norm in modern boxing, and now it’s foolish to speculate that Rocky could’ve experienced the same gains today? Why? Because you want to confine him permenantly as a smaller man so that a fantasy matchup with Lewis is unfeasible?
It's foolish because it is nothing but speculation. We saw Holyfield and Tua move up substantially in weight over the course of their careers. We've seen a literal thousand fighters do this. Rocky was not one of them. Rocky Marciano was a small heavyweight. That's it. Finito. All these posters trying to find the perfect mix of attributes that would allow everyone's wet dream super man to beat the consensus top H2H heavyweights is an asinine waste of time, and as I said it's been done to death for at least a decade on here.
I also didn’t walk to the supermarket today. But it doesn’t mean I couldn’t have. Where were all the big men in Rockys era that would neccesitate him becoming anything but the fastest he could be? If he could maintain optimal speed, he already has the power. And everyone was nearly his size. Where is the motivation to gain weight? Plug your fingers in your ear holes all you want, but maybe stop crying all over the place. Some of us can handle the sophisticated nature of the topic and would like to discuss it.
Having just had a Marciano thread go right over your head,maybe it would be best not to mention "sophistication," for a while Rez?
Get that kid to the hospital and check him immediately into the burn treatment center, he just had a fierce blaze lit under his ass!!!