Did Williams getting shot in the abdomen affect him at all?

Its not so much that he would certainly beat them.

Its more that he would almost certainly beat some of them.

 

There is no doubt Williams went through a terrible thing and it’s clear the chances of making a full recovery seems unlikely for normal people. Lots of boxers have came back from life threatening incidents. Daniel Jacobs survived bone cancer to become the champion to push GGG the closest. Johnny Tapia had crazy things happen to him and fought again. He overdosed I don’t know how many times. A few champions have come back from crazy things. Muhammad Ali fractured his skull falling off a motorcycle. Willie Pep came back from career threatening injuries. Vinnie pazienza broke his neck. Some boxers have survived house fires, severe burns. Lenzie Morgan is one I can think of. Terrance Crawford continued his career months after a gunshot wound to the head. Hassim Rahman survived a car crash. kell Brook survived being knifed, lost litres of blood, almost lost his leg but recovered, fought on successfuly. Jeff Simms carried bullets throughout his career. Others to. A shot at point blank should kill most people though. I recognise the severity.

 

So this sounds like a "yes" vote?

 

Which ones? Chuvalo and Mac Foster were better than guys he beat before the shooting. Bob Cleroux too. Those fights would be 50-50 at best prime for prime. Al Jones? Al blue Lewis? Those guys would be very tough before the shooting.

Don’t get me wrong, Williams prime was before the shooting. The only guy Williams lost to after Ali that I don’t see him losing to before the shooting is that giant bloke O’Halloran. Ted Gullick and Terry Daniels were probably as good as the best guys Williams beat before the shooting.

 

No it’s not a yes vote because I don’t like the way the option is constructed. It says “it goes without saying you won’t be the same after something like that” which i take to include the impact as a life changing experience as well as everything else. Obviously Williams went through a serious physical ordeal. His diet must have changed. And let’s not forget this happened after He already had a long career so after recovery how do we know what’s down to the bullet? his recovery aesthetically at least looks phenomenal. His weight was good. Williams still looked strong. He did not come back grey haired, all withered and gimpy when he entered the ring did he?

 

One of his legs atrophied some and caused even more balance issues....he was not his best when Ali stopped him in that fight his mobility was even worse than pre gut shot which made Ali look even better

 

The post is a response to someone claiming the bullet made no difference to Williams, he was the same in the ring as he was prior.

 

Not a chance Chok will admit as much. It goes without saying the thread is only pertaining to in the ring effects yet he is dancing around pretending it may not.

 

Now that is dumb...gut shot by a .357 magnum is one of the more powerful handguns more than 45ACP but less than the 44 magnum....the magnum is a heavy round at higher speed causing more kinetic energy to transfer creating more damage the reason it comes in a heavy revolver rather than semi auto is the psi of the round....it would break a normal slide on a semi.....yeah I would say what it hits is damaged and normally crippled if not dead.....had it been a .25, .22, in the gut or even a .380/9mm he would have been better off. The energy a magnum round hits does more damage than a hole in the body it damages muscles, nerves, organs and shatters bones in concentric circles in the area of impact......unbelievable someone would think this gun had no impact on his ability....you can physically see the nerve and muscle damage pre and post gutshot

 

Didn't Monzon get shot like twice and was still something like 70% of himself in the waning days of his career.

Maybe that's how greatness should be defined on classic... how well one recovers after a bullet wound.

 

The bullet moved across Williams's intestines, and lodged against his right hip. Williams ultimately had to undergo four operations in the next seven months for colon damage and an injured right kidney. The right kidney of Williams was too damaged and not working, and had to be removed in June 1965. Doctors could not take out the patrolman's bullet, which had broken his right hip joint and caused partial paralysis of some of Williams' hip muscles.

The injury, surgeries and subsequent convalescence caused Williams to lose over 60 pounds, and over 17 months of his career. He regained his weight and strength by tossing 80-pound bales of hay daily on a cattle ranch till he had regained his fighting weight and physique. On February 8, 1966, Williams got a standing ovation from Houston fans as he returned to the ring, and knocked out Ben Black in the first round

 

I'm hearing you.

 

Monzon was shot in the shoulder though. A boxer would be better off without an arm than a leg, let alone a hip. Not to take anything away from Monzon though