(Yaaasss!!!) Manny Pacquiao Vs. Vasyl Lomachenko In The Works...!!!

I posted Instagram pics. He looks like a shrimp.

 

Wasn't expecting a reply like this, fair enough i respect your opinion..

 

Pacs old.

Pacs alot bigger



It will be a spectacle but this fight means nothing

 

Well, he's certainly below average in size, but 150-155 isn't the weight of an averagely sized man.

Apropos of this conversation, I did a little googling just now. In every thread I pulled up that dealt specifically with this topic, it seemed that most contributors estimated his off season weight to be above 150. Which isn't proof of anything, of course, but just something to measure our own estimations against, food for further thought.

I do, for two reasons - firstly because that's a conceivable off season weight for a man of his proportions, and secondly because I look at him on set in 2009 reportedly weighing 153 and see the same guy we see between fights today. As far as that goes, we've reached an impasse that can only be breached by Manny stepping on a scale for our benefit tomorrow and revealing his present off season weight.

I can't trust in speculation, especially when there's reportage to refute it, so I have to trust the historical precedent here, i.e. that veteran fighters who've been hitting the scale at a certain weight for around a decade don't experience success when dropping significantly beneath that weight and boxing at world class.

 

It’s definitely not out of the realm of possibility, but given Manny himself says his ideal weight class as a prize fighter is 140 and he usually enters the ring at 145 I don’t believe he’s walking around in between fights above 150. During camp he’s shedding water weight and fat but adding lean muscle mass which weighs more.

People with a BMI between 18.5 and 24.9 are considered a healthy weight. For a man who is 5’5, a healthy weight ranges from 114 to 150 pounds, and a man who is 5’7, the range is between 121 and 160 pounds.

Based on all reports of Manny’s eating habits during camp, I tend lean towards PAC has a hard time keeping weight on fighting above 140. Factoring in his life style during his off season, it would be reasonable to assume he doesn’t add more than a few pounds when he doesn’t have a fight on the horizon.

Floyd is a good comparison. Mayweather is about 5’7...he doesn’t pack on more than a few extra pounds in between fights and he walks around at 150-153 whenever he’s not training for a bout. Manny is slightly smaller with regards to physical dimensions but I think Manny carries a bit more muscle especially in his base.

 

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Pac is tiny. There's just no disputing that.

Canelo, Martinez, and Golovkin all said that Pac was too small, yet they've never expressed this sentiment about Floyd. The reason is because Floyd's a lot bigger than people think he is.

Consider the following:

• Mikey Garcia said that Pac "was the same guy" whether they fight at 135, 140, or 147; do you think Mikey would feel that Crawford is the same guy, size wise, at 140 and 147?

• Floyd's bodyguard expressed shock at how small Pac was when they saw him in person... and subsequently changed their prediction from decision to KO.

• Floyd himself claimed that he saw fear in Pac's eyes on account of Pac not realizing how big Floyd is... Floyd stated "I have a long reach, I'm a very big welterweight, and very strong, so I think that that's going to play a major key." Indeed, Pac was outsized and considerably so.

• I saw Pac in person at the NYC press con for the Bradley rematch... Pac was no taller than 5' 4" (in my estimation); he was tiny.

 

Yeah, he's got some big legs. His calf and thigh measurements were bigger than Tony's. And that kind of variance in individual composition is why BMI should only be considered a loose guide at best.

Manny's official height is 5' 5½", and the BMI says a 5'6" guy is 'normal' up to a whopping 154lbs, so what's a half an inch worth? It's going to vary from guy to guy.

He's a small man. After having been in Amir Khan's breathing space, I started to think of him as a manlet (I think I even used the word "tiny" to refer to him in conversation with a friend), and I'm only 5'10". A lot of these guys we talk about are surprisingly small in person. Even someone like Hopkins wasn't much of a physical presence up close (which I should've expected, but the mind tends to make giants of these guys when we see them achieving great things on our screens).

What I'm asserting, aside from the plausibility of a healthy man of Manny's stature walking around a little above 150, is that the weight at which a man has been acclimated to fighting at for a decade doesn't lend itself well to subtraction, especially when you factor in that the guy in question is pushing 40. What the body is used to doing for so long counts for a lot.

That historical precedent is more compelling to me than speculation over exactly how much Manny weighs on an average day. I mean, how far under 150 are we supposing he walks around at? Even a 5'4" man is liable to be walking around in the mid-140's, if BMI is the point of reference.

Funnily enough, Naazim Richardson said the very same thing about Pac. Not that I consider him a font of all wisdom, but it's another point of view.

Crawford is obviously a bigger guy than Pac. No doubt Mikey would be more happy to face Pac at 147 than TC, who he'd much prefer to box at 140 or 135.

But, considering Crawford was walking around at 177 last month, is it such a reach to think that Pac would be walking around 25lbs lighter than that now? Sounds about right to me.

Thing is, this and all of the perceptions cited above can exist alongside the circumstance of Manny walking around between 150-155.

Floyd is certainly much rangier, and (at the risk of arousing interest from the forum's demographic warriors) that kind of reach/height ratio seems to be more of a thing with the black guys. I didn't see much disparity in size per se when they were in the ring together, though.

Floyd thickened up a bit at welter over the years, but he was never a big guy at the weight himself.

I've never shared a room with Manny, so I'm at a disadvantage to you in that respect. It might not help me even if I had, though - I thought Khan was a small dude (expected him to be about my own size), but, now that I think about it, I wouldn't be confident putting an exact stat on him from memory.

I know that a lot of people have questioned Floyd's official height, too, some putting him around 5'6".

A lot of these physically excellent guys are smaller than we (the 'average man') are. When we see them in the flesh and realize that we can look down on them, it can be rather alarming. And the misleading feeling that we could manhandle them can make them seem even smaller.

 

Fair enough. It’s all speculation at the end of the day. Manny very well could be 155 in between fights? I just don’t think he looks that big. I’ve seen him once in person outside of the wildcard in 2015 and was surprised how small he was in real life

 

I'm sure I'd have the same feeling.

 

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Sorry, dude. Pac is just a tiny dude. Floyd looks much bigger than him. Look at them out of competition and not training. Do you really think these 2 guys weigh the same?

Crawford was 158 against Indongo... Do you really think that Pac, in these 2 photos, is only 3 pounds less than fight night Crawford?

 

Not a bad fight for Pacquiao at all if he can get in a good training camp, and doesn't have to cut too much weight. Also would bring Lomachenko up to at least 140, and put him in range of a Crawford call out, which he probably won't take, but should.

 

I think it's conceivable that they're within a few lbs of each other, sure. We're looking at photographs, after all. Floyd's proportions between fights are those of a man who loves to keep ticking over (he's notoriously vain, which I can relate to). Manny's are those of a man who relaxes and eases off more without ever letting himself go altogether. I've had people remark that I looked around 200lbs in shots where I weighed 175, that's 25lbs off. They were misled by my proportions.

5lbs, sure. It's the same deal, pictures can be misleading and everyone's composition is different.

 

Damn Pac's head is huge. It's like they stuck a seven footers head on a kids body or something. He must have been on that Barry Bonds blend.

 

Pac isn't a quitter. Loma is his stature, and Pac still has some speed, the way he darts in and out and flurries should give Loma some issues. Loma couldn't really hurt Rigondeaux. No way he hurts Pac. It's a good fight if Pac can get motivated and put in a good camp.

 

Out of curiosity, what's your take on the weight? Do you think it has any bearing on Pac's chances? And if so, at what poundage do you think his chances start to decrease?