Rocky Marciano unbeatable?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I really think that Marciano on his best night might have been unbeatable to any fighter 200 and under. The thing about Marciano is that he was one who could beat more skilled fighters despite his flaws and this is what made him special. This is not to say that he would be unbeatable on his best night, only that he could be unbeatable. And, the best Marciano could be a handful for a lot of 200+ pound heavies, especially for those who don't have a big punch.

    But specifically, for fighters under 200 pounds, Marciano could have been unbeatable. There's no one under 200 that you couldn't arguably make the best Marciano a favorite over.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Bit much or me, but did he perhaps proved he couldn't be outboxed? Walcott and Charles, whatever their ages, are a pretty severe examination on that front. And if you couldn't outbox him, you had to stop him, which was never done. So Dempsey and Langford have their hands full.
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I don't think that one should look solely at age and look instead at performance and compare it to how they performed vs how they likely would've performed in their prime and how they likely would've performed against other fighters. Walcott and Charles put up pretty good effort that may have been good enough against other fighters. I told someone the other day that I think the Walcott of the 1st Marciano fight would've put up a better effort against Ali than Liston did in their first fight. Not to say Walcott would've won, but he'd have made it a tougher fight, IMO.

    Plus, you can arguably say that Walcott's performance against Marciano was superior to Wlad's performance against Anthony Joshua. Walcott was ahead on the cards and clearly winning until the 13th round when he got caught with that right hand.

    I think that maybe on another night, Charles, Walcott and maybe perhaps Moore could've pulled off the win against Marciano, but I also think you could reasonably favor the best Marciano against the best of those 3 as well and that's the same with Langford and Dempsey.
     
  4. MeatFeastMan

    MeatFeastMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that if a fighter could lure him into throwing those hard combinations, it is possible to empty his tank and try to win with jabs in the early and mid rounds, and then when he tires, try to brawl him to catch the judges attention in the late rounds. Marciano did like to let his hands go a lot, so it's possible that forcing him to do that even more frequently would tire him out. Boxing at range with jabs is definitely the way to go.

    Someone like Lennox Lewis would make sense. He fought a lot of brawlers throughout his career, and he's an intelligent boxer with a good chin. He has decent movement, and he'd be able to tempt rocky into throwing those combinations. Or even Tyson Fury, although he would have to be more careful, because his chin is a tad suspect. Tyson and Lennox are adaptable, and they are good in multiple situations so they'd be perfect at trying to beat marciano. So yeah I think an intelligent boxer from the more recent eras would cause problems for marciano I think.
     
  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Well, I was referring to Marciano being possibly unbeatable on his best night to 200 pound and under fighters. Not a Lewis or Tyson
     
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  6. MeatFeastMan

    MeatFeastMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ah, in that case...How about Usyk. He is smart, tough, has good movement, a good chin. I think he'd be able to use his ring IQ to force marciano into emptying his tank.
     
  7. reznick

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    I don't think anyone is unbeatable.
    Although we don't have footage ourselves, all indications are that Lowry gave him a hell of a fight, and almost did the trick.

    I would probably favor him over just bout every fighter under 200 I can think of, but there are so many good fighters historically, someone has to have had just the right style to win.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    I would pick the Johnson who beat Burns,and the Dempsey who beat Willard,to beat Rocky but not with any overwhelming degree of confidence.I would also give Langford perhaps a 50/50 chance, Tunney I would give a 40/60 chance.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    I favour Dempsey by a cats pube.
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'd give Charles a better chance if he were the 48/52 version and Walcott a better chance if he were perhaps the 45/50 version .
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I would say that Marciano more outlasted Walcott than figured him out. While Walcotts pins were still functional he did well to absorb the heaviest stuff Marciano delivered. Youth was the victor that night.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Well I'm not saying he is unbeatable, just that he could be in the sense that he could (on his best night) be expected to beat any under 200 pound fighter. Put it this way, what 200 pound and under fighter could Marciano at his best NOT be favored over?
     
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  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    So you're saying he should be favored over every fighter?
    Okay, that is far more plausible.

    I favor Jack Johnson over Rocky Marciano.
    Dempsey vs. Rocky extremely difficult to call. I think I'd favor Dempsey.

    But I have no issue with the respectable opinion that he should be favored over all of them.
     
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  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Nobody is unbeatable.

    Any fighter who looks unbeatable at the highest level, is performing a bit of a conjuring trick!
     
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  15. barberboy2

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    Sure he was beatable everyone is. I would put money on him to win against everyone under 200 pounds though.
    I would put less money on him beating the ATGs over 200 but he would still be worth a punt IMO
     
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