Jimmy Young vs Ron Lyle tape (Fight 2)

How long has this footage been available? Curious.

 

Decades

 

How about footage of Young/Shavers?

 

Nope....and I'd love to see both fights.

 

Not that I know of. But its one that I definately wouldnt rule out. The first one. The second one is possible but slightly less likely.

 

Hey Red! Before responding a question. "how do the Pats get back into the Jags game? Quite simply, let Brady fling a 30-40 yard pass downfield, clearly uncatchable, and get the interference call."
Back to thread. Jimmy 'schooled' Ron...twice! In closing, I think the two Young-Lyle fights should be considered as a barometer for any Young or Lyle threads.

 

Yeah, that's true...there sho' are some unhappy campers down J'ville way buddy!
Being a Jimmy Young fan is a lot like having a passion for canned artichoke hearts...(I know, but I speak from experience)....but seriously, for anyone who considers himself a true boxing fan...that is, an aficianado of the defensive magic of this often besmirched sport of boxing, I don't see how anyone can come away unimpressed by my man Jimmy's exhibition of pure skill in that Lyle bout...and I can only say that I wish that their 1st bout was available for our enjoyment as well!

 

I live smack dab in the middle of CT, so I'm a New Englander through and through. The hype that man and team gets around here is unreal, and this is coming from someone who's not a huge football fan.

Cobra, do you think Young's skills see him fitting in somewhere in the top 10 or 20 more skilled operators of all time at the weight?

 

Ya know,I know styles make fights, but so do skillsets, Lyle was kicking ali's ass if I remember correctly, even though they stopped it when he got hurt. But Young OWNED Lyle for two whole fights! WTF, the man was incredible!

 

Lyle was a good fighter. He really had it all. He was big, strong, athletic, durable, had a punch, and had good skills. His biggest problem was that he started boxing so late in life and didnt really have a great pedigree. His accomplishments at amateur are really impressive given the system he came out of but as a pro his deficiencies showed on occasion and he started becoming an old man physically by the time he was getting seasoning. Nevermind that he was a thug outside the ring which Im sure also contributed to distractions and lapses during training.

 

I don't know if I'd classify Lyle as a thug.

His father and mother were both very religious. Lyle was a jock in high school. He was sent to prison after a fight broke out between a group of guys he hung out with and another group, and one guy was killed. Sources like Wikipedia says he was in a "gang." The group he hung out with wasn't a "gang" is they're known today. They were a group of seven boys from his neighborhood who all played together and hung out since they were like eight. But no one would say who killed the guy, because they were all best friends. So they all went to prison.

Once he was in prison, he was stabbed and died (heart stopped) on the operating table. But he was eventually revived by the physician and while was recuperating I believe he watched Joe Frazier win the Gold Medal in the Olympics (or maybe it was Ali defend the title, can't remember for sure). So he took up boxing in the prison.

He became the top amateur in the US in 1970 (knocked out the Soviet heavyweight champ as well as the top US heavyweight Bobick) and turned pro. Once he got out, he routinely went back to his old prison to encourage guys to prepare for life outside of prison. One guy he was friends with in jail got out and he brought the guy in and tried to help him find work. (Like Amir Mansour recently did.)

That's the same guy who came over to Lyle's house on New Year's Eve on Dec. 31, 1977 and went into Lyle's bedroom, got the gun he knew was in Lyle's drawer and pulled it on Lyle and his guests who were all there for a party because he said Lyle owed him money. Lyle fought with the guy and the man was shot. Lyle then went over to a neighbor's house who was a policeman and told him about the shooting.

Lyle was found not guilty of that.

Compared to most heavyweights, Lyle lived a fairly crime free existence once he was released from prison for something that happened when he was a teenager. He and his wife got into it at times, but Ali beat his wife and Foreman was accused of **** by a woman in the 70s, so whatever.

One thing people never bring up -- when talking about guys like Cleveland Wiliams - is that ALL of Ron Lyle's fights came AFTER he died on an operating table from a stab wound and was brought back to life.

How good of a fighter would Lyle have been if he took up boxing sooner and HADN'T ALREADY BEEN KILLED ONCE before?

 

Great Post

LOL at the bolded part

BTW: He probably would have been about the same if he took it up when he did but was not stabbed. Unless, he never fully recovered from the stabbing or it left him with some deficiency.

 

I don't know, I always thought dying probably took a little out of you. (LOL)

 

Lol, you post Lyles history like he was just always in the wrong place at the wrong time (and left several details out). In my experience if trouble follows you like flies then at some point you have to admit that maybe the common denominator is you, not everyone else. Besides Ive known a couple of people who had run ins with him in Vegas and Denver and he was a thug. When your a 50+ year old man and still trying to shake people down for money, stopping just short of a full on mugging you are a thug. Nuff said.