Are there any fighters in history you think could beat a prime Roy Jones?

No one including toney knew how to even fight prime Roy. He was in a league of his own at his best. Could do it all. You might not like the man or whatever but guys like Roy only come along once in so many years. Calzaghe wouldn't have stood a chance. I ve heard all the names over the years...the guys with maybe better CV,s etc. But the two most naturally gifted fighters I ve ever seen is Roy Jones and Muhammad Ali at their very best. Both seemed to fight on autopilot. Guys have probably ended up better fighters but they for me the two most naturally talented. The scary thing was they looked like they weren't,t even trying at times and could finish it when they wanted..it came effortlessly.

I still say at their very best...no ones touching either of them.

 

So how far past prime was Jones when he struggled with Tarver in the first fight? He was a P4P top fighter and just beaten a HW champ etc

So we go back and ask the same question that seems to have been ducked and that question is...
What better LHWs do you feel Jones beat that were better than Tarver and G Johnson.
Fighters who I wouldnt favour to beat Michalczewski, Calzaghe, Erdei, Benn, Rocchigiani, Maske, Eubank, Ottke

Ottke beat prime G Johnson who went on to beat Jones


Seems the question is massively ducked

 

A cowardly act?

I think that Hill, Reggie, Griffin and Harding were all of a similar level to Glen and Tarver. There wasn't much between them. A lot of them beat each other.

I would say that they'd have had mixed results against the guys you listed.

You don't think Tarver or Glen would have beaten the guys you listed, but they arguably lost to guys who were either on their level or below.

I don't know what your point is anyway. Roy was obviously faded when he fought Tarver and Johnson. Anybody who knows anything about Roy knows that.

Again, nobody cares that Ottke beat Glen, who then went on to beat Roy. So what?

 

As the threads about Roy I wont ask about Ali but what is this based on?
Untouchable when Roy was struggling with Griffin? What were the SMWs that Roy was beating when you write this?
Toney didnt have a great SMW resume and apparently weight trouble.
What better LHWs do you feel Jones beat that were better than Tarver and G Johnson.
Fighters who I wouldnt favour to beat Michalczewski, Calzaghe, Erdei, Benn, Rocchigiani, Maske, Eubank, Ottke

Ottke beat prime G Johnson who went on to beat Jones

 

Which fan boy is making you sick to your stomach.

Let me know, and I'll sort them out.

 

Yes. You seemed to want to avoid the question

Tarver beat R Johnson, Harding and Griffin 3 fights in a row so lets not get silly Loudon.
G Johnson beat Harding and Griffin.

Now I think G Johnson and Tarver are of a similar level but generally possibly a bit above the others.

So once again
What better LHWs do you feel Jones beat that were better than Tarver and G Johnson?

So did Jones in losing to Griffin, Tarver, Johnson etc

??? Explain

Nobody thought he was faded in his fight before Tarver when he won a HW title or when he got the tough decision over Tarver

Ottke beat PRIME G Johnson who went on when up in weight to beat Jones who was favourite to beat him

 

What are you talking about?

Roy Jones was Nigel Benn's mandatory for the WBC 168 title for over a year, in fact Jones was the WBC Americas continental champion at the time and he declined his mandatory spot to fight Benn to move back down to 160 to fight for a vacant belt. Benn at the time had had FIVE fights in a row in America including impressive KO's over DeWitt and Barkley.

The reality was in fact the complete opposite of what you just stated.

 

Its the same old things boxing fans do when theres someone ahead of the competition. They done it with Roy...with Floyd mayweather ...with tyson at his brief prime now doing it with joshua. People asked Roy to step up he did...he fought Toney and Hopkins. Handled both with ease. Both guys that we,re elite level guys. People then said toney then had weight troubles and Hopkins was too green. More excuses just not to give the man credit.

You guys watch boxing...tell me as knowledgeable boxing fans out of all the list of people that's been listed on this thread. Tell me one guy that had a more difficult style than Roy's to work out at his best. They made out he done the avoiding but common sense tells you who really was avoided. A lot of guys like Benn, eubank, calzaghe alluded to it. Roy was in a league of his own at his best. Roy did struggle with griffin but that can happen in a run of fights no ones infallable mainly because you,ll never have your best night continually. But Roy at his best beats everyone on your list some of them easily at that. He even went out and took Griffith's out in half a round in the rematch to pretty much prove it was an off night.

Honestly guys like calzaghe eubank Benn. All good fighters. We,re a good level below Roy Jones. So was everyone else for that matter. I m telling you now Roy Jones was in a league of his own at his best. If your knowledgeable about the sport and your fair minded...without an agenda...there's no other way to see it. The guy should have fought better competition...but I m pretty sure the competition knew what they we,re doing. Staying away because not only was he formidable no one really knew how to even go about fighting him. He made good/great fighters look silly. Sometimes you,be got to just turn round and give people the credit they deserve.

 

Not sure if you were actually watching boxing around that time or not, Jones vs Hopkins was a very low key affair. In fact Jones was being slated at the time for avoiding his mandatory with Nigel Benn at 168 for the WBC title to move back down to 160 to fight Hopkins for a vacant belt. Jones was Benn's mandatory for nearly 18 months and he even held the WBC America's Continental title. Hopkins at the time wasn't even ranked in the top 5 at 160.

In retrospect it looks like a good win but at the time nobody thought too much about it. And to respond to your first paragraph, nobody was calling for Roy to fight Hopkins.

Different story with Toney who was generally considered the P4P #1 at the time and an outstanding win for Jones, but was apparently weighing 220lbs 10 weeks before the fight.

A great start to a career which unfortunately could have been so much more.

 

Correct.

He wasn't willing to go to Germany to face him.

 

Which is why I listed about 6 guys who I think could have beaten him?

 

Roy had just dropped back from HW to face Tarver, and he was absolutely exhausted after the half way point.

He was running on fumes for the last 3 rounds.

He'd have been in huge trouble had that have been an old 15 round fight.

I think Tarver would always have caused him problems with his style though.

 

The thing that people fail to admit is Roy Jones himself was green against Hopkins. He,d only really fought novices himself apart from castro up to that point. That's why it was a low key affair. Nigel Benn was way into his career at that point. Roy was a contender just starting to come through. He got the belt and took on his mandotories some good fighters...all he made to look silly. Pretty sure the fight after Hopkins when Roy was still green he knocked out and made a boy look silly in 6 rounds the boy lost a split to Benn around the same time. Benn was at his peak Roy was just coming through. Even green Roy was battering some good/great names easily. No one could compete with him. Even toney got took apart. People go on about weight problems with toney but the evidence on record suggests it had nothing to do with weight. Roy had clowned everyone he fought up to that point...he was as consistent again against toney just leaving him to cry excuses about weight. Its not like Roy struggled with anyone. He completely took apart good fighters. Its not like he was struggling. The great fighters he did fight he pretty much done the same thing. Leaving them to make up excuses.

Roy could have fought tougher competition but I be no doubt in my mind he,d have beat them all. Also think guys didn't want any part of roy. He became the biggest star in boxing at one point...yet very few people seriously called him out. Not surprising really...common sense tells you why...no one knew how to even fight the guy he was so good.

 

bailey,

I don't avoid questions.

Yes, and Harding also beat Tarver.

Glen Johnson also beat Tarver, who lost to Woods.

I wouldn't say so. And I'd have loved to have seen Hill fight Tarver, and Griffin fight Johnson.

I've already answered the question.

We know what's happening here.

You think that Roy lost to the best LHW's he fought, you think that the guys you listed were better than those guys, therefore, you think that the guys you listed would all have beaten Roy.

Back in the real world, it wouldn't have been as simple as that.

Only a fool would think that a guy like Ottke would have beaten Roy, based on the fact that he beat a guy who beat Roy.

By that logic, I could say that Michael Sprott would have beaten Mike Tyson.

Griffin won on a technicality and was smoked in the rematch.

He beat Tarver when he was exhausted.

Nobody thinks that Glen would have beaten Roy between 1996-2002.

What do you want explaining?

Eubank should have lost to Schommer and Close.

Benn lost to Malinga and Collins.

Dariusz lost to Gonzalez.

There's no reason why Tarver couldn't have beaten those guys.

Nobody realised the effect of dropping back down to HW within a short time frame.

Look what happened to Tarver, Dawson and Byrd.

They all suffered the same fate.

Why do you keep posting this?

And??

Is this supposed to be evidence of how Ottke would have beaten Roy?

 

Lets just get a perspective on what you are saying.
When Roy fought Hopkins, Hopkins was not a top MW. Hopkins didnt win a world title in his next attempt after that fight. The MW division had fighters like McClellan around back then.
Toney was really the first big test for Roy and it was a good win but lets look at Toneys SMW run and it wasnt a run of top SMWs. Toney had had many SDs and close fights in that time

Credit given they were good wins but Hopkins hadnt done anything at that time and Toney was not really in against many of the top SMWs

Roy had great speed. He also has question marks over him as well when queries arose around the time of the Hall fight.
Still Roy didnt fight the fighters you mentioned and it is just a guess. I cant really think of Roy facing fighters as good as those fighters when they were prime

Based on what?
I would favour prime Calzaghe over Jones. I watched a faded, bloated end of career Calzaghe with damaged hands go up in weight and beat Roy

Once again based against who? At MW he has a good hindsight win over Hopkins, at SMW he has a decent win over Toney who wasnt facing many top SMWs

Thats your opinion and trying to force it upon me.
I agree Roy was a very good fighter but I didnt see him against Michalczewski, Maske, Rocchigiani etc. Collins was a better SMW than MW and that is another fight we didnt get to see.
You are right in that we can only speculate but I think Roy would struggle with Calzaghes speed and awkwardness and think Erdei would be a stylistic problem for Roy also

Michalczeswki was calling Roy out and they were in the same division both with good resumes