Fair criticism of your favorite fighter

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by joeyp130, Jan 24, 2018.


  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is cleaning up if that was his last fight in the game. Second of all he wont have the problem of Jay-z working with Haymon since that was his last fight with Roc-nation.
     
  2. joeyp130

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    I dont know--look at it this way--if he had enforced his mandatory from the start with SM, then all of the Cotto/Canelo/Khan CW nonsense would have never had happened to muddy the MW waters. SM might have fought him cause he was a warrior. Cotto would never had fought him.

    Cotto/Canelo and Canelo/Khan might still have happened, but there would have been no CW MW involved. Anyone wanting to move up would have had to have gone through GGG.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    @Aussie Invader
    Well I havent read the thread but just seen this post only and havent had a read yet to know what its even about.
    What do you two want?

    Recently we (myself and Aussie invader) were talking about Calzaghe. You said he didnt go to America to fight the best. I mentioned how Calzaghe was a SMW and champ and asked what American SMWs he didnt face from America? I pointed out that the best American SMWs during the bulk of Calzaghes reign were Brewer, Lacy and Mitchell. So I asked you which American SMWs should Calzaghe have travelled to America to face?
    I noted that when Hopkins was thinking of going up to SMW that Calzaghe agreed to go to America to face Hopkins only for Hopkins to decide against it and think he faced Hakkar instead.

    You were going to list all of the American SMWs you felt Calzaghe avoided by not going to America to face them

    Edit

    Just read the thread title and Calzaghe isnt my favourite fighter
    I dont really have a favourite fighter but would possibly say Floyd Mayweather or Sugar Ray Leonard. With Calzaghe it is often a case of posters who were not watching SMW at the time passing comment when they havent a clue what they are talking about and I know the SMW division very well.

    Mayweather - I didnt like it when he came in over the weight against Marquez and didnt like the Alvarez fight at a catchweight.
    Think Floyd would have won both fights either way

    Leonard - Didnt like the Lalonde fight with the LHW title on the line when the fighters were at SMW and Lalonde having to drop to SMW when the LHW title was on the line
     
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  4. Loudon

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    Like you've said, it was Jnr's first huge fight on PPV.

    Snr wanted the best possible deal for Jnr, but got completely carried away, probably reminiscing about his own career.

    A few people here doubted Hearn's account of events. But I never did, because I've been watching Eubank since I was a kid. And when Hearn gave his account, Snr was completely silent. And that confirmed it to me. Because if Hearn hadn't been telling the truth, Snr would have jumped on him. He'd have jumped on him via social media. But there was nothing, which was very uncharacteristic. We heard nothing for almost 2 months. And then he finally came out and said that he'd made some mistakes. When he said that, that for me was 100% conformation that what Hearn had said had been true.

    I was still hopeful of seeing GG fight Eubank, but I don't know if we'll see it now. He's not active enough, and I think Oscar is delaying the rematch with Canelo for as long as possible.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I read this half an hour ago.

    But I've only just scraped myself off of the floor.

    Ha!

    Unbelievable.

    What a great post.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sergio was a warrior, but he was obviously severely hampered at that stage. So I don't think he would have fought him.

    Cotto definitely wouldn't have fought him, and neither would Canelo, because Oscar wouldn't have let him.

    I don't know whether the Khan fight would have happened or not, but I know that Canelo would still have fought 2-3 other guys before Oscar made the fight.
     
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  7. joeyp130

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    I think its a toss up with SM--you might be right. But i think SM got the better retirement payday by fighting Cotto so good for him. He deserved it.

    And I agree about Canelo. Oscar was going to doge him as planned. No way that fight was going to happen any sooner than it did.

    I have read what you posted about the Brooks fight. I agree that i dont give GGG or Canelo any credit for their WW fights. But I understand Brooks was a replacement. If anyone deserves credit for those fights its Brooks. He manned up to the limit and took a shot.


    Funny I havent seen any Canelo fans in this thread yet---
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post.

    Yes, Kell Brook deserves a lot of credit.

    Actually, I think Khan does too. A lot of people think he just cashed out, but he put up a great effort.
     
  9. kirk

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    So are you saying he did not send K2 an offer to make the G fight, and that K2 didnt turn that offer down?
     
  10. joeyp130

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    Of course Khan does as well--but not as much as Brooks. Khan was def out there to win. But what has he done since? Tweet alot about who he could beat and thats about it. Brooks faced Spence and I think has another fight coming up soon.
     
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  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    And?

    What was the offer?
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, but he went in the jungle on "I'm a Celebrity get me out of here"

    That has to count for something. Ha!
     
  13. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The thing was that the offer was still for September 2017. I don't think GGG could've got the fight earlier without going down in weight.
     
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  14. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    very convenient of you to put out a disclaimer saying Calzaghe isn't your fave fighter when he is, by far, the one you spend the most time defending
    let's assume Calzaghe is your fave fighter (humour me), and answer the OP question regarding him please
     
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  15. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Carl Frampton - Has spent too much of his time talking about retiring over the past year, I think its evident he took the loss to LSC really really bad, it hit him hard and although noone can say it for certain yet, he in my opinion has let it deflate him, where maybe a true great would have only allowed it to motivate him.
    Instead of training harder, Carl has openly talked about cutting down his training, and in particular, halving his sparring during camp's.
    It obviously remains to be seen but I really have my doubts over whether he is the same fighter anymore, and it disappoints me that it took only one loss for this to be the case.
    It also doesn't fill me full of hope that his new trainer is seemingly more his mate than anything else and putting 2 and 2 together, it would seem in line with what he's saying about training less etc etc.

    I should say a whole lot of this is educated guess work and I suppose maybe even the fight coming on April 21st will either confirm or reject most of what I've just said. Here's hoping its the latter and he gets the big stadium fight he has been calling for in the summer.

    Tyson Fury - He is talking so much that its even irritating me now, if he keeps going how he currently is then I won't even want to hear anything more about the potential bout with AJ by the time it (maybe) comes around in 2019. Love his trash talk but it's got to be backed up by something, hearing some promising things out of training but give it a rest at least til you're fully back on the scene again now Tyson. Patience is wearing, even for me, (consider myself a big fan).
    Also has given up his greatest weapon in my opinion, in his uncle Peter, and if he is not back with him by the time the prospective AJ fight happens, I don't think he'll win. (Likely he will be back with him then though, I think?).
     
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