Who is the real deal, whos the FRAUD? Bivol/Gvozdyk/Beterbiev/Usyk...

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  1. El Chicano

    El Chicano Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I hear all these names as the next Russian/Ukranian stars

    Which one will be the next Kova & enter P4p list?

    Who is best of em all?!

    Comparisons?!

    Could any beat Kova today?

    Who stands out most?!
     
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    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Usyk is a cruiser, he'd easily beat Kovalev. Definitely the real deal, but could easily get derailed if he walks into a big one in the WBSS semis/finals.

    As for the LHWs, that's a fairly high bar, Kovalev is a p4p-level fighter and I don't think one needs to be that good to avoid being a fraud.

    Gvozdyk and Beterbiev are definitely for real, they've both beaten decent contenders, but just how good they are we don't yet know. Either vs Kovalev is an interesting fight.

    Bivol is also good, but I think Kovalev would still beat him even now.
     
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    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who's the fraud? this is exactly the type of garbage thread to expect from El Loco..

    Not a fan of the sport, just levels of hate on fighters. What a f'n twat...
     
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The only ''fraud'' I see here is the TS
     
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    Usyk Kovalev and Beterbiev are top 20. Gvozdyk is a journeyman champ at best, Bivol is a prospect.
     
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  6. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Gvozdyk is a better boxer than Beterbiev.
     
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    Are you saying Gvozdyk is also better overall than Artur? Or just better boxer?

    I personally think Beterbiev will go farther. Tough call however.
     
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    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Gvozdyk is more skilled in my opinion, has better footwork, more dimensions to his game. He is also tall for the division has a fairly long reach. Beterbiev punches harder and likely has a better chin. But skills pay the bills, so I would pick the Nail against him.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Why must there necessarily be a fraud among them? Even if their heights of success are distributed unevenly (why shouldn't they be? It would honestly be a weird coincidence if four guys picked at random all did equally as well as each other) it seems fallacious to say that whoever ranks at the bottom in the final analysis must have been unworthy of the hype they received. They could all be, or none of them could be. Let's wait and see.
     
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  10. El Chicano

    El Chicano Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I am a big fan of Kova/Loma

    Reason i started this thread is to find out more bout these guys

    Robert Garcia used to train Gvozdyk, he said way back he was the real deal
     
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    El Chicano Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I really know nada about em

    Just trying to get the SKINNY on em

    Didn't say they were frauds
     
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    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Usyk and Bivol are the ones that have genuine potential to be p4p aces, IMO.

    Gvozdyk and Beterbiev were excellent amateurs who both have major strengths as well as flaws to iron out in the pros.
     
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    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Why don't you watch their fights instead of making threads about them?
     
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    I disagree with IB, Usyk and Gvozdyk are the guys with P4P potential IMO.

    Bivol is very solid, but nothing he does is spectacular including his in ring style, can he pick up a strap, yeah, probably a few, but I doubt he could beat Gvozdyk, Kovalev or Beterbiev.

    Beterbiev is more skilled than most make him out to be, that being said, he's the most rudimentary of the 4, and will get found out when he faces someone who can take his punch and exploit his plentiful weaknesses.


    None of them are FRAUDS.

    The thread title is appalling by the way, and cut the bull**** you don't like Lomachenko or Kovalev, its just your pathetic way of covering your ass. Its the, but I have black friends excuse. Its your poor attempt at throwing shade indirectly, sadly you're not all that subtle. So its pretty direct, and obvious as a ball peen hammer blow to the big toe.
     
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    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Beterbiev has power, but seems limited overall. Stevenson, Jack, Barrera, Gvozdyk, and Kovalev all beat him.
     
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