Ali vs A.J.

Haven't you seen Rocky IV?

 

AJ is a ****en bum compared to Ali. Don't insult our intelligence by even proposing this fight. Joshua isn't even the hvw champion.

 

Ali is a twitch fighter who stands at 6ft 3 with a billed reach of 80 inch with incredible speed who before his lay off at only 26 was weighing around 212 pounds,unfortunately for most boxing fans Ali was unpredictable because he wasn’t a stand up straight fighter like Joshua and many other fighters,he was unorthodox so hard to prepare for,Ali would have come in around 217 218 to fight a 240-245 Joshua which AJ would have to be to have any chance at all of getting close to Ali, which I doubt ( too slow). As you know if there were no lay off Ali at 28 would have been in is ultimate prime with the same blinding speed of 1967 but at a solid lean 217-218 frame his optimum weight, the great advantage Ali had over all heavyweights is he could jab and punch going backwards ( while prime) which means scoring while moving backwards because of his unique footwork and speed, as we know Joshua is susceptible to the right hand a punch he gets caught with regular ie Dillian whyte, Klitschko and others,because of Ali’s hand speed he was one of the few heavyweights who was fast enough to throw right hand leads of which Joshua would be catching along with Ali’s right cross on a regular basis, with Joshua’s heavy frame in the later rounds his stamina would tell and Ali would win by a ud or tko im finding it hard to make an argument for AJ.he has a punchers chance? but with Alis chin and ring smart I can’t see it, a lot of people like to bring up fights Ali had with fighters that they think he struggled with that AJ would have eaten alive like Doug Jones or Cooper etc but Ali was less schooled at that stage of his career or clowning around and of course we are talking Ali v Joshua not Joshua v Cooper or Ali v Dillian Whyte, in a nut shell Ali scoring while moving backwards with AJ chasing and Ali smacking him with right hands while compiling a good lead till the middle rounds until AJ loses strength then Ali tying him up much easier, makes this an easy win for ALi against a slower bullying fighter which Ali specialised in.(foreman, listons etc ) Ali has dealt with height before 6ft 6 terell, Wepner, as well as many 6ft 4 fighters, he has dealt with long reach fighters,84 inch (Liston) and others, he dealt with power punchers ie foreman, shavers, Liston all of which he dealt with while past his best except Liston off course, if those fights were in 67 or the years up to 69 If no lay off, he would have fought them as shown above, this is a terrible match up for Aj who is too stiff too slow has no footwork with poor stamina and a question mark over his chin.

 

Ali too slick for AJ. Size won't be a significant issue if he can't catch the Greatest.

 

Exactly. AJ will eventually lose and then you'll have all these bandwagon jumpers backtracking.

 

Athletes get better, deal with it. No sport is an exception.

 

You're talking about PEDs? Even a juiced AJ gets taken to school by Ali. Many boxers today AJ not excluded don't have the fundamentals or roadwork to keep up with a fighter like Ali. Even with all these PEDs, most HW fighters are almost collapsing from exhaustion by the 7th round, Ali fought 15 rounds no problem.

 

We need evidence. As far as I can see, fighters from two decades ago seemed much better than todays fighters.

Lennox Lewis better than AJ
RJJ better than Kovalev
Marvin Hagler better than GGG
SRL better than Thurman
Roberto Duran better than Linares or Garcia
Salvador Sanchez better than Lomachenko
Ricardo Lopez better than Nonito Donaire

you get the idea

 

Tyson Fury is the modern day ali and will school AJ

 

I ve not actually seen a lot of lomachenko. What I have seen tho is he,s a very skilled operator. . His skills been manufactured tho I bet. As in I bet his trainings a bit different than the norm. I,ll hazard a guess it relies heavily on reflex based training.

Let me know if that's right...I ve only ever seen some clips of his fights never read about him or that.

i m telling you Ali was more skilled than lomachenko p4p...it was just a different kind of skill. Lomachenko was made by a system of reflex based training I m betting or something similar to that. Its pretty much the middle tier. Say you,ve got joshua/parker etc at the bottom in terms of skill. A lot of their training will be learning game plans to beat opponents might be sport science based etc same training most of thems following nowadays.

Tier two is guys like lomachenko and mike Tyson. Who,s skills based on a system. Another one I was gonna talk about is big luis Ortiz. He's more skilled than the three present champions. Its system based skill tho.

Then you,ve got the top guys...that learned the hard way. Mostly through tough hard brutal sparring. Obviously you need to train as well. But it develops everything you need. Hence the reason the older guys could do pretty much it all in a boxing ring. I wouldn't advise doing it that way nowadays. But it needs to be taking into account when analyzing the older fighters against the modern fighters.

Look at some of they heavyweights...breazeale. Whyte. Charr. Pulev. Browne. They have massive holes in their game. They don' even do any one thing really well. They have zero versatility. Compare what they can do to top ten guys in even mike tyson's time. Don' listen to people calling it the cocaine era...go back and watch their fights with that list I wrote in the post above. Come back and tell me the modern guys do things better than they guys.

Just look at buster Douglas. At his best he could do it all.

 

Just had a quick look for lomacheckos training. Didn't,t get much from it. But their mainly overloading him hence the reason hes as good as he is. His dad trains him and got him doing things a lot different than the norm. A lot of the time the dads do bring through a gem...mainly because they work them so hard...and they do training different to the usual stuff you see in most gyms. Like Roy Jones,s dad. Calzaghe,s dad and lonachenko,s dad. They all had unorthodox teachings all overloaded them. For me no coincidence why they had the success they had. All three fought a pretty niche way. Again not a coincidence.

On the hole tho...with the current boxing training which is all pretty similar their bringing through guys that lack skill. Don't get me wrong their is a lot of skilled guys out there today a lot of them don't train the same way as the norm tho. Some through systems others through reflex based training. Lomachenko spars 15 rounds 4 minutes a time tho. He also does do a lot of reflex based stuff by the looks of it. Hence the reason he has a lot more skill than say Joshua.

 

Prime Ali would clown AJ

 

By scientific backing do you mean JUICING !!??

 

Considering Fury's inactivity, i'm surprised you consider him still to be the main man in the division.

 

Drago fractured Rocky's ribs in real life and shooting the film had to be delayed.