Camacho was great at 130 .. he was a true superstar in the sport till the Rosario bout which he never recovered from .. he completely changed his style to safety first and tried far less .. from that point on he was never close to his best again.
That being said he was still a very crafty , very good fighter at 135 and 140 and even welter .. he beat a lot of good fighters .. just not an all timer ..
A guy who fought from 130 to 168 without ever getting knocked out deserves some sort of ATG recognition. Plus he's definitely in the mix as one of the best 130 pounders ever.
It can be argued Joss Luis Ramirez and Edwin Rosario were near greats. He beat Boza-Edwards, Howard Davis, Vinny Paz, Bazooka Limon .. Of course there are stories with each one of these but the bottom line is that even as a guy that fought out of his best weight and really only partially dedicated he stayed a respectable contender for a hell of a long time thru four divisions .. he always was very smart, clever in the ring, had terrific defense, an exceptional chin, terrific speed and overall boxing ability ... the only beatings he ever took were against a prime , far more motivated Chavez and prime Oscar and Felix, bigger and younger guys who were terrific fighters ..
You said it yourself HG - "near greats". I'm not trying to downplay Camacho i am challenging Cobra to name the actual "greats" Camacho beat. If he beat a great my definition of greatness must be well off track.
I appreciate your point .. by no means was he all time great to me .. he had a shot at 130 but post Rosario lost the burning desire in my opinion.
Good record tho. As i posted earlier i think he peaked early for various reasons Rosario being one and life in the fast lane another.
I'd rate Camacho somewhere below Azumah Nelson and somewhere above James Toney. And I don't think an awful lot separates them.
Im a fan of Hector but in my mind there needed to be a little more Warrior in there with the slick boxer. At times he needed to show more and put away the pretty stuff. He did gut out the Rosario fight but after that i saw a guy who shut his offense down when he needed to ramp it up.
I'd actually rate him significantly lower than Nelson and definitely below Toney too. The problem with Camacho is that other than at 130 where he showed genuine brilliance, he was never in the conversation as one of the world's very best. Nelson dominated at feather and super featherweight and Toney was considered one of the best in the world when he was at 168. Camacho's title reigns were very short and he didn't establish himself as the best in the divisions he held titles in. His talent was greater than his actual achievements in my view.