I want to start by saying I have not seen these fights discussed here so its uncovered ground. Anyone who can add value would be appreciated. And please McVey I ask that you keep it civil. If you want to feel free to quote Adam's book ( In the ring with Jack Johnson ) in context. With no further ado: Jack Johnson vs. Jim McCormick 1906. Match one. Johnson 34-5-6 vs. McCormick 4-6-1 Records from Box Rec. This was a draw. According to Topeka Daily Capital and Topeka Daily State Journal (searched by Adam Pollack) the bout went full 10 rounds. Both wore 8-ounce gloves. Neither man appeared in danger of being knocked out. McCormick wore cloth tape on his hands, but Johnson wore black rubber tape. In the 5th round, McCormick got in a terrific right on Johnson's chin but failed to follow up. Match two. Just two months later. Johnson 36-5-7 vs. McCormick 4-6-2 Records from Box Rec. The fight was even going into the 8th round when Johnson started to take over, at which point, McCormick bit Johnson's shoulder in a clinch. At the insistence of the crowd, Referee Porteus awarded the decision to Johnson. Observations: How can a fighter with a reported losing record be this even with Johnson in 1906? Johnson had the experience edge by a mile. Why were these two so close? Styles? Was Johnson injured?
Yet another interminable knocking Johnson thread from you,seriously get a life ,or at least get Pollack's two volume biography of Jack Johnson!
I invited you to quote from the very book. Care to add anything new about these matches? Its hard to believe this was Johnson in 1906, and two years and a few months from now, He easily defeats, Burns for the title. I have questions to ask, but more data would be appreciated.
No, it means Mendozy is trying to yet again disparage a man who has been dead for over 70 years,how weird is that?
Another interesting fight for Johnson was his November 1906 match vs. Joe Jeannette. It was the final meeting of the two. Jeannette had a 10-10-1 record according to Box rec and had less than two years experience as a professional. Johnson, by contrast, had 11-12 years under his belt. And far more fights. An interesting point to me is Johnson not only has the experience by a mile, but he also had a 20-pound weight advantage. Johnson's reported weight vs. Sam Langford earlier in 1906 was 185 pounds, and his reported weight vs. Felix 3 months after this fight was 184 pounds. So its fair to say, Jeanette, if he was 20 pounds lighter was in the 162-165 pound range, not even a super middleweight and Johnson was somewhere in the mid 180's. So we have a cruiser weight with all the advantages vs a man likely under the supper middle weight limit. Yet Joe Jeannette despite all the above disadvantages had enough to draw with Jack Johnson. I can't think of one good heavyweight champion who would not have pounded a much smaller .500 opponent with no amateur career and less than 2 years experience from pillar to post. I'll see if I can post a primary review for others to read and welcome the same. Box Rec report: referee: Marty Sullivan Johnson defends world 'colored' heavyweight title. Johnson 20lbs heavier. The local paper called it a draw, though it also said Johnson was the cleverer boxer and ring general and slightly outclassed Jeannette. Research done by Adam Pollack.
Seeing that Jeannette's weight is recorded as 185 a few months before and a few months after this, it seems unlikely he was as light as 162. Even though the result was recorded as a draw, there seems little doubt that Johnson had the best of it. This is from the Washington Herald: Johnson Let Jeannette Stay. Portland, Me, Nov. 27. - Jack Johnson and Joe Jeannette boxed a ten-round draw here last night. Both men were on their feet and fresh at the end, although Johnson had the better of the argument, receiving but very little real punishment, and seeming to be delivering less to his antagonist than he was able to. Jeannette did practically all of the leading up to the sixth round, and most of it from that time on, Johnson fighting inside and on the defensive, while Jeannette played with a reaching left-hand jab.
I think its fair to say this is a slightly different take on the fight!lol The purpose of this thread and the motive behind it would be abundantly clear to even Stevie Wonder!
Total nonsense Jeannette's last fight with Johnson was in1908 and he had his first recorded fight in 1904!Against Morris Harris. Jeannette was 28years old when he last met Johnson,and you want to try and convince us he was 165lbs! GTF!
Ah, my stalker-like parrot appears yet again. Johnson's last fight with Jeannette was in 1908? WRONG AGAIN. It was 1906, as I stated. Also, Jeannette was 27 years old, not 28 as you say. Why are you wrong so often? Geez...two bad mistakes in one post. The quote I used from a newspaper said he was 20 pounds lighter than Johnson, so rather than cry foul, prove he wasn't. Jeannette himself said he was lighter when he meet Johnson. If the fact that Johnson in 1906 could not separate himself from a 10-10-1 fighter who had less than two years of ring experience bothers you, I say that's just too bad. Put your agenda aside and let the research rule.
I always find it funny when idiots like Greg Spec and his ilk try to beef up Jeanettes resume by saying he had MANY unrecorded fights prior to his known record but then cry that he was green fighting Johnson. Or the even bigger laugh that in an era before steroids they claim this extremely fit elite athlete suddenly gained 20+ pounds of solid muscle in a very short time well after any normal human being would have stopped growing as a means of saying that Jeanette was still developing when he fought Johnson. No and no. Johnson was superior to Jeanette there is no question about that and in fact a strong case can be made that of the original black murderers row Jeanette had the weakest case for title contention.
I'm always up for research taking precedent! 1908 Jan 3 Jack Johnson New York, NY D 3 From Cyber Boxing Zone! Confirmed by Adam Pollack in his Johnson book! Jeannette DOB August 26th 1879 Last fight with Johnson Jan3rd 1908 Age when fight occurred 28! I bet you feel a right **** now don't you?