Wow!!! Hahahaha i missed the old posts from this legendary troll. The biggest foreman hater on the history of this forum.i glad this piece of crap is out of game
Nope....the only advantage Marciano has over Frazier is he leaned back forcing fighters to reach over his lead leg to connect bring them into his power unlike Frazier who leaned forward perfect for Foreman's pushing of the shoulders but Foreman's blitz would get the Rock just like it did Frazier that fight and even the rematch was about unnatural power and strength being too much for a swarmer like a Frazier/Marciano.
I don't see how even Rocky's most fervent fans can make a case for him here especially if we're talking prime Foreman. Size sometimes cannot be ignored and this is one of those times.
Tyson`s defense was brilliant and he took a good shot from Ruddock in their 2nd fight, but if Foreman knocked Tyson down I don`t see him having the temperament to come back, Larry Holmes proved he could by getting up from THAT shot from Shavers.
I don`t agree with any part of his career, George found Morrison hard to hit and Marciano used to keep his right glove covering his center line leaning off center line so George`s jab wouldn`t be that effective the only difference would be Rocky would be coming forward and even D`Amato said to Tyson while studying the Frazier loss that a short armed fighter coming forwards against Foreman was suicidal!
Foreman dealt with Joe Frazier brilliantly. I think that was the best Foreman ever fought. He showed a lot of poise and composure. He waited for Joe and struck at the right moment. History shows us that Frazier was never going to win another important fight after beating Ali but that’s not George’s fault. Foreman took care of business and beat the man on the day. Foreman did indeed beat an unbeaten champion who had cleared out the division and already beaten the guy who would eventually take George’s title. As wins go, there is no better win out there for George to get at that time. However if it is not Foremans fault that Frazier already was never going to win an important fight again, then It’s not Marcianos fault that folks just see him as a smaller Frazier and would therefore be dealt the same way as joe was. That’s unfair. A prime Marciano was a better and completely different fighter to the overweight version of Joe Frazier who had already been hospitalised after beating Ali, came close to retiring and because of his injuries had deliberately taken-only gentle opposition since. Rocky had not been hospitalised and treated for exhaustion. In fantasy fights marciano would be using a championship winning performance. Let’s not forget, Marciano was better and hit at least as hard as Ron Lyle. Rocky hit harder than Jimmy Young and Ali. Rocky also had two handed power and was harder to beat than Peralta and Scrap iron Johnson who both took George the distance hanging tough, standing in front of George. Clearly it’s a very tough fight for Rocky. He is smaller. But unlike Frazier Rocky is prime. I tend to think if Ron Lyle got the openings against George like Ted Gullick did he would have also floored George that evening, just as he did when they later fought. Why not? And if Rocky gets the openings that Ted Gullick got against George, and lands right hands like Ted did, but with his power, then I think we could be looking at factors like experience and stamina that favour Rocky. I believe Rocky has a live Punchers chance if he can get through the first 3 rounds or so. Because He’s not Joe Frazier and Ricky was better than Peralta. It is not impossible that either man might beat the other. It’s not a done deal. This content is protected Gullick can’t make an impression because he’s not ATG level. But Ted lands blows like Rocky would.
Its idiots like you that drain my energy & make me remember better days on this forum. A difference of opinion is good but name calling is for punks. Opinions on these fights are just extrapulations & anyone who thinks their own opinion is written in stone needs to step out of the hubris. Foreman was one of my favorite fighters as a young man but an average puncher Lyle (check Lyles record closely) had Foreman down and hurt by fighting him close, the fight could have been stopped several times in Lyles favor. The younger Foreman was a powerhouse with many strengths & many flaws & very protected. He was carefully navagated as were many of the fighters of that era. Guys like Quarry & Bonavena would have been good learning matches for George coming up. I wondered how George would fare against a fighter with stamina & late power & wont use the Ali or Young fights as examples because of the defensive style of these opponents but the Lyle fight showed me there may be another way to beat Foreman & Lyle was a strong man but not a great puncher. Foreman showed great heart in that fight but also showed he was far from invincible. As an older fighter George learned from the Archie Moore book an had a amazing career & is still one of my favorite fighters, the older Foreman was smarter & save his fuel but the young GF & the old Foreman were two different guys in the ring with different strength & weaknesses.
That's as may be, but take McVey's advice. Bummy can be maddening but he's been here for thirteen years. That makes him a legend on the forum. It's fine not to like him and fine to disagree with him, but don't call him a "****ing troll" or whatever. That'll earn you a kick i'm afraid.
Lmao go back to your cave simpleton. Foreman rated ron lyle in the top 3 of the hardest punchers that he fought or sparred. He mentioned cooney,lyle,cleveland willians and later he mentioned morrison but he never ever mentioned sonny liston between them. Earnie shavers rated himself lyle and foreman as the hardest punchers in history(i am not saying that i agree with this but an average puncher never would be mentioned more than once between the hardest punchers that they fought). It is funny because you keep saying like you said in the past "i love foreman,foreman was my favourite figher". Sorry ******ed but nobody will believe it. Only a complete idiot would use the fight with qawi to make a point against foreman in a fantasy fight PRIME VS PRIME marciano vs foreman. GET OUT OF MY VIEW STUPID HATER TROLL