Are there any fighters in history you think could beat a prime Roy Jones?

Benn went to the US and beat DeWitt and Barkley in 2 consecutive fights dummy.

Why would Michalczewski have to go to America? Dariusz was the champ and had claim to all the belts Roy won
Roy should have travelled to Germany to face the champ.
Why should Michalczewski have gone to America? What is your facination with going there?

You still havent listed all these SMWs Calzaghe should have gone to America to face when he was champ defending? I bet you wont either. You keep making a comment that you cant back up in any way.

Do you think Roy gunshy about going to Germany to face the champ?
Do you think he was gunshy about facing the SMWs who were generally in the tougher fights?
do you think he was gunshy about facing the more established MWs when at that weight?

 

as long as you keep ignoring the backup, sure.

 

Calzaghe was hurt by the KD, was he close to being stopped? Hard to say, if Roy would have put it on him when he was buzzed you never know if he could have followed up but Roy kind of let him off the hook, which he alluded to in the post fight. Yes it hit him with the wrist it was like Joe ducked into it which made it even more damaging.

Jones was clowning Calzaghe in round 2 and he had the momentum early. It wasn't until rounds 3 and 4 that Calzaghe started to come on and take control of the fight. Look at Round 6 for example, Calzaghe comes out and starts rabbit punching. Calzaghe was outvoluming Jones but Jones maintained a tight guard and was picking off a lot of Calzaghe's punches while on the ropes in the middle of the round. In the 6th RJJ managed to land several hard right hands on Joe, including a great uppercut late in the round. Despite being outlanded, you could give Roy that round for landing the harder more flashy punches. Most of the rounds were like that, Joe outvoluming Roy with Roy blocking a good amount of them but Roy getting in the harder flashier punches.

The cut definitely had an impact on what was happening, but Roy fought valiantly I thought over the 2nd half of the fight with the cut. A lot of people went into that fight thinking Roy was done and would just get annihilated by Calzaghe but that's not what happened.

 

I expect he was. He looked to me to be hit by an unintentional wrist rather than the glove

Not even close. Dont be ridiculous. He was up straight away and throwing punches and not needing to cover up or hold

This is where you are trying to rewrite it all. Roy did try and put it on Calzaghe, Roy did go for it and didnt let him off the hook. Calzaghe was clear headed enough to know what was going on and fight back

Think the judges gave Calzaghe round 2. Still so what? Roy had a good start. Calzaghe worked him out and out skilled Jones to win a clear decision. Not sure what you are on about in that Jones won a few rounds? So what???

Yes Jones landed a fantastic uppercut and faded end of career Calzaghe just walked through it and carried on hitting Jones. Jones did well doing some picking off at times but Calzaghes volume like I always felt it would be was too much as well as Calzaghes skill

I couldnt make any case for Jones winning that round for just one really hard punch. Jones had been taking hard punches throughout the round. I expect many boxers could cover up and land a flashy hard timed punch but that doesnt tend to give a whole round to them and Calzaghe was out punching and out skilling Jones

Calzaghe had a cut even earlier. The fight was in the same pattern from round 4. After Calzaghe worked Jones out in round 3, Round 4 on and they are similar

I agree he did. Jones had readjusted to LHW was in top condition and in his 2 fights after Calzaghe looked impressive

Alot went in thinking Jones was going to win. On a poll there were more favouring Jones. Jones didnt get annihilated in his decider with Tarver who was LHW champ
I read how many favoured Jones and it was a big fight. Bigger than Hopkins/Pavlik.
Many boxers favoured Jones

 

Charlie zelenoff would make easy work of RJJ

 

Should he not have a DQ win over Wilder? He was hit when down from a flash KD

 

Of course you'd have favoured all of them.

You love to be different.

Only a fool would have favoured Ottke or Collins to have beaten Roy at his best.

Giving them a chance is one thing, but favouring them would have just been silly.

Regarding Collins, Roy and Collins missed each other. Most people think that Roy ducked him, but they simply aren't aware of the facts, and they only ever look from Collins' perspective.

Here's a summary of what happened:


In mid 1996, Collins was made an offer to fight Roy.

Collins wasn't interested, as he was preparing to face Nigel Benn in a rematch.

Early in 1997, Roy was made an offer to fight Collins.

Roy wasn't interested, as he was preparing to face Griffin at LHW, and he was looking ahead to a fight against Hill afterwards.

After the outcome of their first fight, Roy then demanded a rematch against Griffin.

Roy then fought Griffin in a rematch.

After preparing to fight Joe, Collins then pulled out due to a lack of motivation.

Shortly afterwards, Collins retired.

Early in 1999, Collins flew to Pensacola and challenged Roy after he'd beaten Ricky Frazier.

Roy then gave his advisor, Stanly Levin, the green light to start negotiations.

Roy's other advisor, Murad Muhammad, along with HBO's Lou DeBella, preferred Roy to fight Reggie Johnson in a LHW unification instead.

Lou DeBella told Collins that they'd possibly be interested in a future fight, but they wanted him to fight someone else first, preferably Joe, as he hadn't fought in 2 years.

Collins was then scheduled to appear on the undercard of Joe's fight with Rick Thornberry, but after collapsing in training, he was advised by a doctor to retire.

Collins then retired.

Roy then fought Reggie Johnson in a LHW unification.

 

We've already got there.

We know how your mind works.

Tarver and Johnson beat Roy, you think the fighters you listed were better, therefore, you think they would also have beaten Roy.

The only problem with that logic, is that Roy clearly wasn't at his best against Tarver and Johnson.

The versions of Roy who fought them, were clearly not the same versions of Roy who'd beaten Reggie, Griffin and Hill.

Roy was never the same after he dropped back from HW.

He was exhausted against Tarver in their first fight.

He was knocked out in the rematch.

He was shell shocked against Johnson and he didn't win a round, before then being left unconscious for several minutes, after a blow that didn't appear to be too damaging.

After beating Roy, Johnson then went on to lose to Clinton Woods.

Only a fool would use the loss to Johnson, as some sort of evidence to support a theory that the likes of Ottke would have beaten him.

The versions of Roy who beat Reggie, Hill and Griffin, would have been heavily favoured to have beaten every guy from your list.

You don't take Dariusz's losses to Gonzalez and Tiozzo into account when pitching Dariusz in fantasy fights, so why focus on Roy's losses to Tarver and Johnson?

You're supposed to analyse the best versions of each guy in question.

Even Joe says that Roy was shot in 2004, which is the only reason that Tarver and Johnson were able to beat him. He actually wrote that in his 2007 autobiography.

 

Roy was finished by the time he faced calzaghe. Its like comparing two different fighters. His legs we,re gone. His stamina was also gone after a few rounds. The older guys we,re easy for Joe...hence the reason 3 of his top 5 wins came against ageing fighters. Joes best attribute was his stamina that and his fast hands. He kept them all the way through. Most guys stamina/speed leaves them as they age. Joe kept his...Hopkins had to adjust massively and Roy was stuck with a style that needed stamina/speed. Without stamina/speed Roy's style didn't work...or at least against anyone that had them. Not fair on Roy taking comparisons of a prime fight from that fight tbh.

Griffith one looked like an off night for roy. His timing was off all night. It happens to them all. Joe had a good few off nights himself. But when your comparing prime v prime I m not sure we take that off night fight as good evidence over the other say forty fights. I can find poor performances of joes then compare it to a good Roy Jones but its pretty pointless. A lot of people claim robin Reid beat Joe for example. But we do tend to look at joes whole body of work more than them few off nights especially when they both performed much better against better opposition.

Roy Jones embarrassed Clinton woods. Clinton was a solid fighter. Nothing great but should have been a bit of a test for most. Him and Joe we,re mooted as being a big fight at one point. People had it down as a close fight. Roy beat him easily. Wasn't just a defeat but a humiliation. No shame on woods Roy done that to a lot of them.

Toney at his best would have beat Joe. Joe was a good fighter. Very effective at what he done but he was never elite level talent. He mainly picked guys at the right time. His best win was kessler. And Kessler himself was overrated. Good fighter but was never anything special.

People don't remember now but there was a time few people even watched Joe fight in Britain. It was all Ricky hatton for years. Joe beat Lacey. Hatton started getting beat. Then almost near the end of his career in typical fans action they all jamp on the calzaghe bandwagon. Now hes some kind of elite talent that would beat Roy Jones. He wasn't on his level in his prime. Good fighter that ended up with a fortunate great career by being careful.

Calzaghe wouldn't have got the chance to use them fast hands. He wasn't a particularly fast single shot fighter. He had to get in range to unload. He,d overwhelm opponents with the flurries inside. As I said no one got inside against Roy in his prime. They all ended up on the outside because anytime they did try to move in they we,re hit and hit hard. Ended up with them in the center of the ring with Roy coming forward going in and out he,d beat them to the punch everytime. Roy was an incredibly fast single shot fighter. Joes wasn't. Joe was incredibly fast with the flurries. Wouldn't have got close enough tho. Roy just had too many assets for any of them for me. They all new it as well...because they all ended up clueless in how to even go about beating him for years. Roy Jones was an exceptional talent.

I still say Joe calzaghes more on eubank/Nigel Benn level more than people realize. Go back and watch eubank/Benn fight...outstanding level of skill etc. I d actually take them to beat cal zaghe. But it could be winable for Joe. Prime Roy Jones wasn't winnable tho.

 

What difference does it make if Dariusz called out Roy in a magazine?

Anybody can call out anybody.

Unless it's backed up with something, it means nothing.

Dariusz told the media that he was willing to go to the U.S. to fight Roy. Yet his advisor wouldn't sit down with Roy's advisors and HBO's execs, and he turned down the proposal of a double header without even wanting to discuss any specifics.

After the dust had settled, Dariusz then carried on defending his lightly regarded WBO belt against B and C class fighters, 3 of whom who'd already been easily beaten by Roy.

Regarding Roy's fight with Joe, he dropped Joe with his forearm due to bad timing.

Regarding being readjusted back to LHW, he was simply a shell of the fighter he'd once been, which Joe admitted on numerous occasions leading up to their fight.

 

You think Joe would have beaten a prime version of Roy, based upon the outcome of their 2008 fight?

You think he'd have outsped Roy with combinations?

You're living in a fantasy.

If only Joe had been as confident as you. Maybe then we wouldn't have seen rematching guys like Mario Veit in his 30's.

 

An outstanding post.

A pleasure to read.

 

I think Tarver would have given RJJ problems even back in '00-'02. Roy wasn't quite as fast as he used to be at that time.

 

Spinks woulda outjabbed jones to victory.

 

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