Jeffries offers to fight Johnson in a cellar

Nice one. Pretty sure you can't post pics on here anymore. Maybe links to the images might be the best.

 

Why would Johnson want to scare Jeffries and his management by beating Munroe easily......it wasn't an era where a Don King owned the champion the champion could select his contender since there were no sanctioning bodies......poor ole Jeff the most excused heavyweight champion ever

 

Jeffries had black friends as long as they knew their place in his society

 

Damn Jeffries was a o.g.

 

I won’t deny Jeffries was bad ass, but challenging Johnson to a cellar fight didn’t prove that. If a black guy walked into a white bar in 1904 and challenged the white champ in front of the entirely white bar knowing that at many of his previous fights the white audience wanted to lynch him....I’d say Johnson had some serious cajones and was the legit o.g. All Jeffries did was “bravely” invite the loan black man in the bar to go into the cellar with him and all of his white friends.

Johnson was wise not to.

 

It eventually got him the hiding of his life.

 

Jeffries referred to Johnson many times as a ****,a skunk and a ******,he refused to shake his hand when they signed for the fight,in the ring before it commenced, or to congratulate him after it.

"I am coming back to restore the honour of the white race!"

 

Jeffries wasn't brave enough to put his title on the line against a black man and his ex manager Bill Brady stated ,"Jeff was always leery of Johnson and wanted none of his game."
Johnson gave a lecture to a KKK meeting. The night before the Jeffries fight someone fired a shot at Jack's training quarters.
Getting into the ring at Reno in front of a massive majority of white men all rabidly supporting Jeffries ,tells the story.

By his behaviour and refusal to conform and play the good ****** role as Langford did, Johnson showed his bravery and contempt for racist bigots.
I kinda think Johnson was the one with the cojones!
After his death Johnson's wife was asked what she admired about him? She replied, "I admired his courage ,he wasn't afraid of anything."

 

Not so. Jeffries said just the two of us will go down to the cellar, with the one who comes up with the key being the winner. Had Johnson take the fight Jeffries offered, perhaps he could have used it and distorted things to the press to become the next Jack Munroe.

I've been looking at some of Johnson's matches post-Marvin Hart ( 1905 ), and he struggled with McCormick in 1906, drawing once, and winning via DQ in the second match, but the critical point is McCormick has reported losing record.

Johnson also fought a 10 round draw with Joe Jeannette, whom he likely out weighted by 20 pounds, and had less than two years experience as a professional. The Green Jeanette drew with the much more experienced and heavier Johnson.

Before 1905 Johnson lost via stoppage to Choynski and Klondike, and on points to Griffin.

The best conclusion is from 1899-1906, Johnson would have little chance to beat Jeffries in the ring. Had Johnson defeated Hart, and not drew with McCormick and Jeannette, you could argue he would have a chance, but none of these guys when Johnson fought them were close to equal to the Corbett, Sharkey or Fitzsimmons that Jeffries had beaten.

 

I don’t care how you try to spin it. In 1904, if a black man entered the cellar of a white bar for any episode of violence, he wouldn’t get a fair shake. The rhetoric of the time wasn’t about someone beating Johnson, but somebody making an example of Johnson. The example they wanted to make was to other blacks to know their role. Whites were concerned that other blacks seeing Johnson’s flagarantly bucking the social order would cause other blacks to become “uppity.” Oh how they would have loved to get him isolated in a cellar and make that example of him.

You are naive to think the plan was just to have fair play. If they wanted fair play they could have just scheduled a bout!! Heck, if they wanted fair play without risking the belt they could have scheduled a bout without putting the belt on the line.

 

He isn't naïve, he is a bigot and the Johnson"hater in chief" on this forum.

 

What do you know about the encounter? Johnson came into Jeffries bar; he did not lack nerve. He was there to offer a challenge in front of anyone who happened to be there.

In 1904 there was very little if any rhetoric about beating Johnson. He had already been beaten before by several men, and Jeffries mentioned the Choysnki fight when they were talking. Johnson's big mouth and trouble with the law came at a later date, for the most part, you can look that up.

But when it got real and Jeffries said you won't draw files, but we can fight in the cellar Johnson tucked tail and walk out. Johnson could have countered and picked a different place, but he walked out saying he wasn't a cellar fighter. He did not say there was too much advantage for you Mr. Jeff.

Could they have meet in the ring in 1904-1905? Maybe. Jeffries did bounce around Hank Griffin as champion in ( 1901 ) in a 4 round match, and Griffin was black.

If there was a very large Reno like a purse, maybe Jeffries would agree on a ring match with Johnson in 1904 or 1905, but at that time Johnson wasn't a famous " threat " What fighter say, and what they do when a big purse is there changes often.

As it turned out, Hart and Johnson meet in what was billed as a title elimination match for Jeffries in 1905. Hart won it, and Jeffries said he'd fight Hart if there were enough interest from the public. There wasn't. People did not want to see a 2 round Jack Munroe like destruction, and Jeffries claims to have lost money on that match with Munroe.

 

More like you are the clueless Malcom X like defender for anything negative or factually stated about Johnson. Your bigotry toward accomplished white heavyweights is well know here.

 

It was Jim Corbett's brother Harry's bar lol. Johnson challenged Jeffries to defend his title against him and Jeffries refused,offering instead to fight him in the cellar Johnson replied," I ain't no cellar fighter "!
Now who comes out of that encounter with more dignity Johnson or Jeffries?

 

I don't particularly care for Johnson as a fighter ,but I care for bigoted liars even less. Jack Dempsey is my favourite fighter,he was White and I am a White Englishman. Why would I be bigoted towards my own colour you cretin?
Jeffries lost money on the Munroe fight and he deserved to, it was a palpable mis-match!
The only qualification Munroe had was the colour of his skin!
You typed two lines and couldn't even get that right! Put your hood back on ,then we won't see you go red!