If Monzon and Hagler Shared the same era ?

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To be fair, you could make a case for saying the same about Marvin, though, KuRuPT. Struggled with Vito, Duran - a 32 year old former lightweight, lost to a former welterweight who'd had one fight in five years. They're all serious knocks against him. Okay he was nearly 35 when he fought SRL but Monzon was still winning at that age and he'd been fighting longer, had had more fights and had fought on the road.

Like you, I used to think Monzon got a bit too high a ranking and still feel that his competition as a titleholder wasn't the stiffest but I do get now some of the skills he had, not least of all his mentality. He had a big edge here over Hagler who could be beset by doubts.

Not sure I'd want to see this fight although I'd be very curious as to the outcome. The mesh of styles would make form a stinker, I think. Give me Hagler v Valdes over this any day.

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Both guys were "bad-basses" in the ring. Monzon was a "bad-bass" 24-7, in and out of the ring.

 

Up until about 12 years ago, I would have backed Hagler, all day long.

You could say it took a while for me to work out Monzon's (dare I say it) genius. And, by "work out", what I really mean is, "appreciate".

I can't recall ever considering a trilogy between them before and so my view is centered on their first and one off encounter.


To be honest, Red Cobra really hits the nail on the head, with much of his post on the previous page. The "cold command" of Monzon is the difference, here; along with an array of tactics to pepper and frustrate Hagler over the distance. Whilst Marvin himself was quite capable of going 15 hard rounds, this was down to sheer conditioning and willpower, as opposed to Monzon's 'Art of War' campaign approach.

15-rounds was Monzon's domain, in which his own blend of awkwardly unpredictable movement, punch selection and sharp accuracy, wrapped up in his usual veil of casual indifference, would be enough to edge the fighting machine that was Hagler.

At least, the first time around.

 

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I actually think Hagler had the necessary tools and well-rounded style to beat Monzon, but his sometimes dubious ring generalship and tendency to overthink things when not fighting on instinct is what swings things in favour of Monzon for me, just.

 

i dont believe a trilogy would be necessary for this one

Get ready Monzon fans for a disappointment because this is how it wouldve REALLY happened: ever watch Pryor - Arguello? It's like that

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Don't disagree with a good portion of this, but in the end, I just don't think it would be enough. Stylistically I think Hagler has the edge here, and that would be the difference. I agree that Monzon has the mental edge in this fight, and he's likely the better ring general, but that isn't always enough. The way Monzon fights isn't suited to beating Hagler. Hagler would view Monzon is a Hearns sort of way. In a way like, there can only be one bully in the MW division. The fights people cite when saying what tactics could be used against Hagler... they cite SRL and they cite Vito. Monzon fights nothing like either of those two. SRL's mirage tactics and fighting at the end of each round isn't going to happen here. Neither is Hagler going to be that overconfident. Monzon also doesn't fight like Vito and bring the pressure that way. He liked to worked behind his jab, and deliver one two's while circling. He always has no issue mixing it up and going to war, but neither of those scenarios worked well for him imo. You're not beating Hagler by using one twos and circling at mid range. He's also not good enough in the trenches to beat a prime Hagler there imo. If Monzon can drag Hagler into a fight that doesn't suit him, and Hagler just has a mental lapse and lets it happen, okay, I guess. However, both at their best, and how they typically fight, Hagler imo would win.

 

Good post, though I disagree with portions of it as shown by my post to Ezzard.

 

^^^The video looks like more of the Hagler Hearns fight .. Monzon ain't fighting Hagler that way

 

I think Monzon is a guy who stylistically didn't look great while Hagler had a more aesthetically pleasing style. Because he was (imo) nicer to watch, I could let my heart rule my head - I'd very much want Hagler to win this. He'd have a great chance, of course, if he could find a way to impose his will on Monzon.

The problem is that thinking you have the gameplan to beat Monzon and then going out and executing it often were two different things. People made the mistake of thinking Napoles had a chance against Monzon despite the size difference and then found out what Carlos was about. Hagler would have a better chance of troubling Monzon but I think he would find his offense neutralised by Carlos's crafty counters and if he decided to box him, he'd get outjabbed at range.

Like I say, not the outcome I would personally want, but I think Monzon wins this.

 

napoles was just a little guy, trying hopelessly to make the jump in weight, and as faded as a week old balloon

the trick here is to have the physical tools, and having the killer instinct helps a lot too, as well as a devestating right jab N hook. Monzon has very good footwork and grabbing technique but how does he deal with Hag's southpaw style & jab, not to mention the body work???

How???

a win over a 1982 Hagler is out of the question and too much to ask for. I believe Monzon's best shot is maybe a 1986 version. 1987 would be even better as Monzon's hand speed could now match Marvin's

 

a prime Hagler neednt apply full pressure here as he looks for openings throwing one or two at a time, and then opening up more as the rounds go by. I too see a sudden ending (as in the Minter & Scypion fights)

it's a case of typical steady accumulation of punishment in which Monzon eventually succumbs to. In this match, he he pushed past his limits,, just like the video demonstrates

 

That video is laughable !!! I'm surprised you even posted it

 

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