If Monzon and Hagler Shared the same era ?

it's a great video capped off by a great comment "Marvin Hagler is going to be partying tonight!"

Monzon would be pushed past his limits of endurance in this one. Hagler was just a monster. moreover, he did well against tall opponents and with his 75 inch reach, it's no wonder

It wouldve been Marvin's right jab and hook against Monzon's left jab. How would Monzon catch him circling to his right? On the other hand, Marvin wouldve struck paydirt with his right hand, probably have cut and bruised Monzon's face (just like the video)

and then there's the body shots. this is just too much for any fighter to fight off. Monzon cannot fight Hagler in close and from long range, he cant land his left hand

I have to say hagler wouldve torn him apart. I saw Briscoe turn him around with a right that had him nearly senseless in '72 as Monzon kept his left hand too low. and after having been struck, still kept it near his waist. Hagler would not have let him off the hook

 

with this video, it is now possible. let's just be grateful this fight actually came about

I'm sorry that not everyone was pleased with the outcome, but I'm glad that this debate has finally been settled

 

Hi rooster! Don't let 'ERAS' dictate the discussion. We're talking prime. With all due respect your: "a win over a 1982 Hagler is out of the question" sounds a bit "nut-huggie". Sorry
Look at the Monzon-Valdes bouts; granted they were getting long in the tooth and past prime but notice how the Valdez you saw in those two fights didn't look like his usual wrecking machine self. Confused, tentative, and, basically out of sorts. He did dump King Carlos in the 2nd one, to his credit but, IMO, this was the only time I saw Rodrigo in a quandary.

 

Yes you are right .. The debate has been settled ..And you are in the minority !!

 

well, that is life

there are OTHER videos of Hagler including one that shows a timeline of his bouts from as early as his forth pro fight in a High School gymnasium and then bouts in the mid 70s with a pair of decisions including Johnny Baldwin who I believe had a 29-0 record. Then it shows his second bout with Monroe. Monrow looked like a wrecking ball had struck him after the carnage had ended in this battle royal!

It then shows Hagler's last minute heroics later that year vs Colbert - November 1977. Mike showed a lot of legs in that bout,, was unbeaten himself keeping his distance when the 12th started, Hagler unloading with a left that caught Mike moving away, and Hagler pursuing, dumping Mike with a left

Notice how Marv kept pelting Mike on the way down? that shows early signs of greatness

Upon rising, Mike circled to his right but movement against a young Hagler is futile as Marvin caught him clean with a left. without missing a beat, Mike reversed his direction and circled to his left when Marvin unleashed his right hook, ending the fight

it was beautiful. I loved the Rocky theme at the end

 

Euro good 'un, jowcol. You speak a lot of cents.

Must have a listen to Johnny Hartman and Coltrane as promised, too. All the best.

 

Hagler two out of three for me.rough old night!

 

Monzon on close points decison for mine. Marvin had a very bad habit of not performing at his best in his biggest fights. In fact his fight with Hearns is the only time MMH fought near his best in a really big fight. Marvin was prone to overthinking and nerves.

Watts 1 ( Hagler was robbed but he didnt fight at his best ), Monroe 1, Colbert ( an even fight when Marvin finally caught up with the light handed mover in round 13 ), Antuofermo 1, Duran and Leonard.

Monzon on the other hand was a psychopathic machine who always seemed to be at his best in his most important fights.

Cheers All.

 

That's a reasonable summary.

 

this is a joke! Did Hagler freeze in the Minter fight in front of all those angry brits???

i have found just the opposite, that Marvin did not perform well when the opponent was found to be lacking in some way, a soft touch, and underestimated him, and thus easing up and becoming lax

this was the case with Roldan and this was NOT a big fight by any means and caused Marvin many problems even with a damaged eye

the Hearns fight on the other hand, was high pressure and high profile, and redefined the standards for big fight performances

so much for the Marvin freezes under pressure theory that originated with some sportswriter who is more comfortable covering women's gymnastics. these people ought to spend more time doing their homework instead of concentrating on fetishes over Gabby Douglas

Watts 1, Monroe 1 automatically dismiss as both were ranked well above Hagler and simply better fighters than the developing Hagler

as for Colbert, Mike was ranked #! by Ring two consec. years while Marvin was not ranked in the top 10! how could that be seen as a poor performance? Keep in mind that when Marvin got going and changed his style from cautious to Marvelous, look how fast the fight changed from UNCERTAIN to a quick, devastating crucifiction - I'd say within a minute. This was all in the same fight

Marin did NOT freeze but rather changed his style

As with the Hearns fight, the Monzon fight would be one of Hagler's ambitions..back when Hagler was interested in fighting and still near 85% of his true self

my belief is that Monzon fans need some kind of way to bring Hagler down and make him into a mental basket case (OMG what am I doing in the ring with Monzon!) in order for him to lose

 

no it isnt. i just debunked that wishful theory with my own reasonable (and detailed) summary

just believe what you see on the video

Like my good friend Stan Lee would say "Nuff said!"

 

Sugar Ray Leonard says " Hi Rooster "

Extreme bias anyone ?

 

I would rate the prime Briscoe who Monzon faced in 1972 WAY higher than any middleweights Hagler faced as champion, Rooster. Certainly way above the Hamsho's and Obelmeija's of the boxing world.

Marvin chose to fight an elderly Briscoe on the bike and never looked like hurting Bad Bennie at any stage of their fight. It was another of Marvin's underwhelming performances in a big fight.

I notice you didnt mention the Antuofermo or Leonard fights in your summary either. Marvin fought poorly in both fights.

Hagler was actually fairly flawed from a technical perspective. He was always fairly average when having to chase a moving target. He also fought with very stiff knees and often actually crossed his feet when chasing an opponent.

As an orthodox fighter he was pretty crap considering his right hand was his best hand. When he chose to fight orthodox like he did in the first three rounds against Leonard he invariably looked worse to me.

It was another example of his mental frailties that he chose to try n outbox Leonard using an orthodox stance in the early rounds. Nobody but a fanboy could deny that.

Marvin was a brilliant counterpuncher and a GREAT infighter who had a GREAT jab and right hook. As a rule he ate guys up who came straight at him or who were defensively porous but he always had problems with good technicians who could fight going backwards.

Monzon was a VERY clever fighter and really knew how to use his height and reach. He also had a killer straight right hand.

By the way Rooster, Hagler was actually my favourite fighter as a kid but I dont believe in having idols as an adult.

Nobody is unbeatable and the perfect fighter has never been born. Every fighter has someone who is stylistic kryptonite including Hagler who always looked susceptible to being out boxed at the very highest level.

That's my last comment to you on this particular subject as I don't believe in preaching or arguing online. We choose to disagree, it's all good.

Cheers.

 

I PROVED my case. you on the other hand, must rely on ploys and myths

What happened in the Roldan fight? hagler did not fight well against a one eyed fighter who wasnt given a chance

that shoots down your original claim

so does the Minter fight

so does the Hart fight

so does the Colbert fight

so does the Briscoe fight

Monroe 2

If anyone here shows bias, look in the mirror

I would place more faith in that video than I would in anything you have to say

"Monzon on the other hand was a psychopathic machine" Man, look at that ****!