Rocky Marciano v George Foreman

I don't get what exactly is being argued here.

Frazier was certainly ill motivated and not in top shape heading into the first Foreman fight, how can anyone dispute that? It doesn't matter if he was always a bad match up for Foreman, he didn't even give himself a chance.

Charles was past prime but actually motivated to win the title from Rocky and gave a performance noted by men who witnessed his prime as one of his best ever.


If it's a question of which was better? I'll go with Charles of the first Maricano fight all the way. That should be reflected in the performances. A fit Charles lasting 15 with Maricano, and a soft looking Frazier getting blasted out with an effort so poor, he actually improved on it while in far worse condition a few years later.

 

1961 old man Archie also flattened Pete Radmacher, knocking him down 8 times in the process.

Pete, don’t forget was good enough to previously beat George Chuvalo in his own hometown!

“Pete Rademacher, 204 1/4, of Columbus, Ga., left-jabbed his way to a unanimous 10 round decision over George Chuvalo, 217 1/2, of Toronto, here last night. There were no knockdowns in the rather one-sided battle before a small crowd of about 4,000 at Maple Leaf baseball stadium. Rademacher, spotting 22 year old Chuvalo nine years, had too much ring saavvy for the hard-punching but slow moving Toronto youngster."

 

Good point, and wins over Chuvalo are acutally highly touted around these parts. Quarry couldn't beat Chuvalo.

 

Foreman is an absolute nightmare for Marciano. I like Rocky but the fact that this thread has gone 23 pages and over 10 years shows he may well be the most over rated fighter ever. People are even saying he hit harder then Lyle a guy Foreman puts over Liston and Cooney in raw power.

Also what evidence is there that Marciano had a much better chin then Frazier? Joe went down from Foreman and Bonovena both harder hitters then anyone Rocky fought (don't mention Louis he was 105). Granted Moore is an all time great and extremely tricky but in terms of raw power he would be similar to Bob Foster maybe even a shade below and Foster power barely made Frazier blink let alone put in on the deck like Moore did to Rocky. Foreman would have 5" in height 10" in reach and 50lbs on him how are people even debating this.

 

Doesn't sound washed up! Lol

 

Game, set and match.

 

No ,he was bang in his prime at 43!

 

It’s not 50lb. It’s more like the weight advantage Old Joe Louis had over Rocky, and even that version of Louis was still as good as Ron Lyle.

 

You are crazy.

 

Your mate George Foreman won the title at 45.

 

And I already explained why I think it isn’t twisted so I guess you have a difference of opinion because you have no answer to it.

As I already explained one can assume the perseverance of a Marciano/Frazier comparison regarding Foreman is just as twisted.

 

1.He isn't "my mate."
2.He wasn't prime and no one but a fool would say he was!