If Monzon and Hagler Shared the same era ?

Then how do you explain the SRL fight Mr. know it all in his biggest fight ever ... Marvin simply choked big time, probably lost it more than SRL won it ..sorry SRL not trying to take anything away from you but Marvin totally underestimated Ray and was cocky and ill prepared mentally thinking he could easily outbox Ray ..imo .. from coming out in the right handed stance for the first 2 rounds to trying to match Ray with the showboating antics, etc.. That's Ray's game and he got in Hagler's head, brilliantly btw, and Marvin couldn't deal with it .. and it ruined him

 

you would but I wouldnt. how come so many losses?

you want to talk about chokers, Briscoe comes to mind as he lost just about every meaningful fight he was in including Monzon, Griffith, Love, Valdez 1, 2, 3, Antuofuermo, Hagler, and so on

Look at Hamsho; did he freeze against Watts?

did he freeze against Czyz?

against benitez?

Parker?

as for Hagler's performance in the Briscoe fight, it was an easy fight for him. at least he wasnt knocked silly the way Monzon was in their title fight

Obel? at least he won a world title which is more than I could say for benny

so much for Benny being considered "way above Obel and Hamsho"

see? you have to have something to SHOW for it

 

so what if he was a clever fighter? your post is so full of errors and myths. "Marvin CHOSE to fight an elderly Briscoe on the bike"

I watched the fight and Marvin punched it out with Benny enough times. why should he just stay on the inside with him and take another butt?

Marvin was a VERY clever fighter!

as for Vito, I did mention him. you failed to read it. Marvin did NOT choke. he ran into someone who had the chin and stamina to go 15. with his gloves held high and sawed off physique, Vito didnt leave much to hit

Monzon on the other hand is going to eat Marv's right jab all night long and with that long body and exposed ribs, that spells BIIIIIIIIIG TROUBLE as Marvin LOVES ribs!

I concede that Monzon WOULD win over a 1987 version but I'm talking about beating Hagler when it counts

 

what a stupid comment! Look what you wrote! How do you ruin a fighter who was in his last fight?

that's like saying Larry Holmes ruined Muhammud Ali

or Marciano ruined Louis

cant we get BRIGHTER posters who AREN'T also into women's gymnastics???

how do I explain the Hagler fight to an exclusive SI reader?

How do you explain this comment by Tim Ryan during round 6?

"Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler. he said that Hagler lost a lot of speed"

LOL! so much for THAT futile analysis!

how do you explain the fact it took Leonard 5 years to summon the courage to fight him?

I see a premature comeback in 84 and an 87 comeback after watching two Hagler fights that turned into STRUGGLES

yes, I said STRUGGLES

you're trying to attribute Marvin's performance due to a flawed style and a weak mentality while I have just proven otherwise (physical decline)

so dont worry, you're NOT taking anything away from me

I can only hope this puts an end to any further numbskull analysis.

stick to women's gymnastics. btw, I head women's gymnastics is looking for a new physical therapist

 

Wasn't referring to him being at the end of his career you jackas* , was referring to the mental part he suffered from after the loss .. but I guess that went right over your stupid head ... take your case up with Gil Clancy, the " women's gymnastics sports writer" ... he'll tell ya the same thing

 

Did you escape again or did they let you out?

 

Marvin ended up leaving his wife, getting a major cocaine habit and then moving to Italy to become a C grade action movie " star " post the Leonard fight.

He took the loss VERY badly indeed.

 

Yes .. and to be fair to Marvin there were several conflicting reports on the aftermath life of him ...

 

He's only a "good friend" of yours because you have a comic book mind. You can't really be a "rooster" because you've just laid another egg with your posts.

 

well he WAS at the end of his career. didnt you realize that?


these are your comments

"Then how do you explain the SRL fight Mr. know it all in his biggest fight ever ... Marvin simply choked big time, probably lost it more than SRL won it ..sorry SRL not trying to take anything away from you but Marvin totally underestimated Ray and was ****y and ill prepared mentally thinking he could easily outbox Ray ..imo .. from coming out in the right handed stance for the first 2 rounds to trying to match Ray with the showboating antics, etc.. That's Ray's game and he got in Hagler's head, brilliantly btw, and Marvin couldn't deal with it .. and it ruined him"

everything based on "getting into Hagler's head". those are your word, and you're calling me blaming me saying "it went over my head"
?

what kind disingenuous person are you?

speaking of disingenuous, what about these comments? "Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler. He said Hagler had lost a lot of speed"

I know people like yourself who have it in for Hagler, try your best to keep it hush. the way I see it, if you dont acknowledge it, or try to change the subject, it means you dont believe your own claims

so why should I believe it when it's on the tape?

next time, please try to keep your story straight. you tend to confuse yourself

if thinking is not your thing, then just watch the Hagler - Monzon video and enjoy it like I did

 

If Hagler and Monzon fought three times, Hagler would win each fight more convincingly than the previous.

 

there's nothing wrong with reading comics. ever hear of comic con?

anyways, it's how I learned to expand my curiosity and expand my vocabulary in my formulative years

it's one reason why my reasoning skills are so good and why my thinking is so much clearer than the usual poster here at ESB.

and helped ease my transition into my pubescent years

 

No sh*t Sherlock .. why do you think he waited so long to fight him?? Are you the only knucklehead who doesn't know that !! .. Did you even see the fight?? Your telling me that Hagler didn't underestimate Ray as well??? thinking he could easily outbox Ray?? ... coming out in the right handed stance for the first 2 rounds!! Of course the mental game is a huge part of boxing, just like any sport, and Ray won that battle too as I clearly explained to you in my other post!! Ever heard of Sonny Liston?? He got mental edge as well by his intimidation.. What are you missing here ?? I guess a lot !!! with 13,000 posts and 19 likes .. someone is following the wrong sport!! .... I love Hagler !! And personally didn't think SRL did enough to take the title from him, but don't argue with the outcome because it was that close .. still haven't got over the 118-110 Guerra scorecard ..but yup I guess you're an idiot

 

Uh huh

 

Can someone please elaborate further on this supposed stylistic edge that Monzon has over Hagler? I'm just not seeing it.