If Monzon and Hagler Shared the same era ?

Hey guys I am old enough to remember reading old fight magazines from the early 70s. Briscoe's people always claimed that the first Monzon fight was a robbery unlike their rematch when Monzon was champion.

Luis Rodriguez outpointed Briscoe twice that year as well. Rodriguez was one of my absolute fave fighters growing up a kid. He actually came to Australia as an old man Roy Jones style but unlike Roy , Luis knocked out his opponent, Tony Mundine in one round.

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that's just something they lke to use because otherwise, they've nothing of real substance to give

they saw it used by some other poster who probably took it from a sports writer who only know women's gymnastics, and maybe couple's skating

Monzon may have been the king of style but that's no going to cut it with Hagler

and trying to rely on Hagler to have a mental breakdown in the middle of the ring is like relying on a Toyota to break down after the first 10,000 miles

Kids say the darndest things

I didnt see Hagler cave when the Doctor pulled him over to inspect his cut in the Hearns fight. He just sped up his assault

neither did he collapse in the first when he took a volley of hard shots by Tommy in quick succession which I'm SURE was a whole lot harder or faster than anything Monzon could muster

Hagler did not cave in the Minter fight in front of the british fans

see? it's just wishful thinking and misconception because there is nothing that positive to say about the opposition (unless you count the exaggerated height, reach, strength, stamina, and level of opposition)

THEY don't even believe it themselves

It will be Hagler's right jab and hook that dictates and no, Monzon will NOT be around in the 15th with WILL deciding the outcome. that's just fantasy.

Carlos will be broken bit by bit until suddenly, he starts to weaken. the will maybe there but the body wont respond. as soon as Marvin sees he's hurt even a little, he'll go into attack mode and break him down just like on that video

the only one I've seen who I think had a chance to beat Marvin was Roldan. Unfortunately, his eye was badly injured during an exchange and his nose was sliced shortly after. with facial damage and his inability to crack the boulder, his will gve out and he quit in the middle of the ring

Monzon wouldnt do nearly as well because he's not aggressive enough. he's just a stylist

Monzon can neither compete with MMH at long range and cant compete with him on the inside.

 

No, I wouldn’t say.

 

here is a perfect example of the diminutive, shy and timid Hagler having one of his nervous breakdowns due to the magnitude of the event before hostile British fans. Just look at him freeze!

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Interesting. How would it make more sense, considering all the factors, that the draw was likely more correct than Monzon losing. I see no way that logic points more to the former than the later

 

It is possible that Monzon could have been on the short end of one or more of those draws. On the other hand, he subsequently cleared the matter up on all but one of them, in rematches.

This doesn't totally discount the possibility mentioned. I am just less inclined to think that was the case.

 

One thing is certain, I don’t think we’ll ever see another top level fighter with...9 draws.

 

Was beating Napoles at middleweight a great accomplishment? Did Napoles ever win the middleweight title?

 

There was nothing average about Hearns. He's an all-time great. He beat Hall of Famers from welterweight to light heavyweight. He outboxed the best boxers and outpunched the best punchers.

Monzon loses to Hearns EVERY time.

Regarding your comment about Leonard, Monzon had an incredibly hard fight with "total nobody" Alberto Massi early in his pro career, too, and in fact lost to him. Monzon had more than a dozen losses or ties before he even got out of Argentina. And you're harping about an up and coming Leonard having a hard fight in a one-sided win?

Leonard was better than ANYONE Monzon ever fought. Hagler's opponents were better than Monzon's. It's not even close.

 

After much deliberation I've reached the same conclusion,Cobra.

 

Ray Robinson ducked McCallum too, so I've heard.

 

I'm not sure where the anti-Monzon sentiment is coming from and I don't recall anyone saying that Monzon would wipe the floor with Hagler or that Hagler would freeze and be intimidated. I can see plenty of scenarios where Hagler could get the better of Monzon too... and whatever the final outcome, it would likely be damned close and unlikely to be a total domination by either fighter.

I picked Monzon based on a one-fight scenario but over the course of three or four fights it could end up even. I just felt Monzon would adapt quicker than Hagler in that one-fight scenario but no doubt Hagler could beat him. Even when people are picking Monzon over Hagler they're not suggesting he'd destroy him. It's a points win one way or the other.

 

Agree Jel, but all these, seemingly young blowhards seem to think that Hagler would go right through Carlos???
and the one (moron) said a MW Hearns would wipe the floor with Monzon EVERY time??? Do these idiots just crawl out of the woodwork?
RED! YOU'VE BEEN SILENT ON THIS THREAD SINCE THE BEGINNING! YOU'RE MUCH BETTER AT CRAFTING A GOOD RESPONSE TO THIS NONSENSE. Please! Put them in their place!

 

And Dlck Tiger retired and died rather than face McCallum.