If Monzon and Hagler Shared the same era ?

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  1. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Monzon's lack of speed is an issue why didn't it result in him actually losing fights. Why were people unable to take advantage of this supposed weakness? By and large his competition seems to have been at least comparable to Hagler's.
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    easy; because few of his opponents fought well from long range including Valdez

    Monzon is just a tall guy with a pretty good 1 -2. Then as soon as the opponent would try to get inside on him, he would tie them up. he fights the same way all the time. There's really very little versatility to his attack

    Hagler can beat him from the outside, drill his side with rib cracking hooks. Then, when he weakens, get him with the uppercuts to the head, step back outside and deliver the right hook with full leverage


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    Hagler's opponents were on the way up - much feistier and hungrier, and many of them were punchers while Monzon's opponents, most of them were forgettable non entities. who did he really fight?

    Tony Licata? didnt make much of a career for himself. Napoles was too small, and near the end. In fact, the end for him was the following year.

    Briscoe was a slow, robotic limited, frequently beaten middleweight who hung around, and almost tore Monzon's head off. I call it a well timed right over a dangerously held low left. Hagler would have finished him on the spot

    LOL! I see Monzon looking at that clock
     
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    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed! I was being verbally 'pummeled'. One of the administrators stepped in and asked me: "Do you know where you are??" To which I replied: "Hell yes I know where I am, I'm in the middle of the Eastside Boxing Forum getting the S H I T kicked out of me!" Fortunately I was able to call on the omnipotent "Crimson Serpent" and was saved by the bell! :)
     
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  4. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Monzon is better and greater than hagler,he was naturally a little bigger too.stylistically monzon had the edge, stamina for monzon too,mental strength for monzon too.monzon beats hagler sorry hagler lover.
     
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  5. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    The crap of the month tournament got a winner
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    stylistically, Hagler has the edge b/c he fights as southpaw and his jab will bust you up and even put you on ***** street while Monzon's jab is more of a paw to set up opponents for his follow up punches

    Being taller than Hagler, well, most of his opponents WERE taller! some were even taller than Monzon

    if Monzon were greater than Hags, then he would be the one with two draws while Hagler would have nine draws

    the "mental strength" argument isnt even an argument! it's a tactic used by Monzon lovers who are incapable of in fight analysis the way KO mag used to do back in the early 80s. They were pretty good at it for a while
     
  7. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Who the hell said "taller"? Carlos was bigger .monzon was a natural 165 pounder while hagler was more a 157 pounder,he was not even a real mw. Carlos has stylistical advantage his jab-straight right and clinch would work perfect with a shorter fighter like hagler
     
  8. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did Monzon fight at 160 or 165?

    since both men fought at 160, then we must assume both were approx. the same size. otherwise, we would assume erroneously the way you have

    for the Minter fight, it is well documented that Hagler needed more than one trip to the scale to make the weight of 160 on the button

    again, you are misinformed. ti say things such as 'marvin was not a real middleweight when he started and ended his career' is ignorant

    btw, Obel, Monroe, Hearns all had the 6 ft build with the jab - cross offense with all falling like newly mown grass before hags

    neither have I seen a clinch that worked from long range
     
  9. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    what a ****ing idiot posting a video game plan as evidence of anything lmao
     
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  10. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Jesus you are stupid like hell!!! He fought at 160 because in his time there was no smw.class and lhw was too much for him. Carlos fought at 162 even at 163 and hagler had no problem making 156 pounds.hagler today would not have been a mw you ******ed. I will will not spend my time anymore with you.for sure you was born after 1990
     
  11. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm still waiting to here about this STYLISTIC edge that Monzon holds over Hagler. People keep using that cool catch phrase, but can't elaborate on WHAT this stylistic edges actually is. It's kind of funny now after 8 pages
     
  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    monzon fans, though not far off about his ranking, have to resort to much fabrication (Hagler wasnt a middleweight)

    and now it turns out Monzon was really a light, light heavyweight

    you could have fooled me with those scrawny legs! but according to one of the posters here, that would make him a psychopathic machine

    who said Monzon was a 165 pounder or did you just make that up?

    and who said Hagler was never a middleweight?

    You saw that he came in at 157 for Hamsho and concluded he WASNT a middleweight?

    how many pro fights did MH have that were under the 154 - 160 pound range???

    I can just take your comments as more proof that thru subtle lies & deceit, Monzon lovers will do their best to bring Hagler down to his level and even below (Hagler gets tight for important fights and in reality Hagler is really insecure) LMAO!

    you're in denial, old timer

    and if you dont like the video that's just too bad becuz that's the way life is

    it's too bad the video isnt more to your taste, showing Hagler freezing up and letting your man fight at an even pace for all 15 rounds just to accommodate him and make him look good. such fantasies are only on paper so I dont see why you wouldnt like this video. I think it's great!!

    let's not forget that Hagler IS the more athletic of the two,and probably stronger, and with more weapons - and better too (Monzon was slow and couldnt fight on the inside)

    it's too bad Monzon didnt possess Hagler's right hook. Monzon is strictly a long range fighter

    personally, I have him the best middleweight of the 70s including Hagler but in the following decades, I have both Hagler & Jones beating him
     
  13. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Carlos was a patient tactical fighter , with his style of fight hagler would be the aggressor and monzon would wait for his advance and would stop him with a 1-2 and clinch, he had the strength and the chin that tommy did not.hagler attacked hearns desperated because he was cut and was being outboxed but carlos would take what hearns could not
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    Just to keep it factual no-one was being outboxed in Hagler - Hearns, it was a war. Yes Hagler ramped it up a bit after the time out but he had been going the clappers previously too.
     
  15. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please, so the supposed stylistic advantage is Monzon going 1-2 and clinch.... Oh yeah, that is a puzzle and a style Marvin couldn't cope with.... LOL