Most talent laden division currently?

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    How many elites can you name in each division before the inevitable steep drop-off that occurs? (between the forerunners and the also-ran, interchangeably middling contenders or world title egg-warmers)

    For the sake of argument let's omit the 'hot prospects' - no matter how sure you are they have elite potential, if they haven't started to do anything on paper to write home about, leave them off. (for instance, I'm very high on Ali Akhmedov at 175lbs and Jon Fernández at 135lbs, and certain both will become elites, but neither has walked the walk yet and put together a résumé to justify all that high a ranking alongside their division's champs)

    Now, of the upper crust in each division - having already trimmed off the fat of mediocre contenders, lucky right-place right-time belt holders, and unproven prospects - which of them could reasonably appear on a top-25 pound for pound list?

    Here's my whack at it:

    HW - Joshua, Povetkin, Wilder, Parker, Ortiz, Pulev. - 6 (1 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    CW - Usyk, Gassiev, Briedis, Lebedev, Huck, Głowacki, Dorticos, Vlasov, Bellew, Makabu. - 10 (4 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    LHW - Sergey Kovalev, Adonis Stevenson, Badou Jack, Eleider Alvarez, Dmitry Bivol, Oleksandr Gvozdyk, Sullivan Barrera, Artur Beterbiev. - 8 (2 that could reasonably be on p4p lists, although the winner of Bivol vs. Barrera is close)
    SMW - Chris Eubank Jr., George Groves, Gilberto Ramírez Sánchez, Callum Smith, David Benavidez. - 5 (1 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    MW - Gennady Golovkin, Saúl Álvarez, Daniel Jacobs, Billy Joe Saunders, Ryōta Murata, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Demetrius Andrade, Jermall Charlo - 8 (4 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    SWW - Erislandy Lara, Jarrett Hurd, Jermell Charlo, Julian Williams, Maciej Sulęcki. - 5 (1 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    WW - Keith Thurman, Errol Spence Jr., Danny Garcia, Kell Brook, Jeff Horn, Emanuel Dapidran Pacquiao, Shawn Porter, Jessie Vargas, Omar Figueroa. - 9 (2 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    SLW - Terence Crawford, Mikey Garcia, Rances Barthelemy, Josh Taylor, Antonio Orozco. - 6 (2 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    LW - Jorge Linares, Gervonta Davis, Terry Flanagan, Robert Easter Jr., Luke Campbell. - 5 (1 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    SFW - Vasyl Lomachenko, Miguel Berchelt, Francisco Vargas, Alberto Machado. - 4 (1 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    FW - Leo Santa Cruz, Gary Russell Jr., Carl Frampton, Oscar Valdez, Scott Quigg, Lee Selby. - 6 (3 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    SBW - Jessie Magdaleno, Daniel Román, Rey Vargas, Isaac Dogboe, Marlon Tapales, Ryosuke Iwasa, Diego de la Hoya. - 7 (1 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    BW - Luis Nery, Shinsuke Yamanaka, Zolani Tete, Ryan Burnett, Jamie McDonnell. - 5 (2 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    SFlW - Wisaksel Wangek, Naoya Inoue, Juan Francisco Estrada, Jerwin Ancajas, Román González, Carlos Cuadras, Khalid Yafai. - 7 (2 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    FlW - Daigo Higa, Donnie Nietes, Sho Kimura, Brian Viloria, Andrew Selby, Juan Carlos Reveco. - 6 (2 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    LFW - Ken Shiro, Ryoichi Taguchi, Kosei Tanaka, Milan Melindo, Hekkie Budler. - 5 (2 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)
    StrW - Thammanoon Niyomtrong, Hiroto Kyoguchi, Seansuree Moonsuree. - 3 (1 that could reasonably be on p4p lists)

    So, now I'll tally up the elites in each division one point a head, except for every p4p candidate in each division, they'll receive double per.

    Heavyweight - 7 points
    Cruiserweight - 14 points
    Light heavy - 10 points
    Super middle - 6 points
    Middleweight - 12 points
    Super welter - 6 points
    Welterweight - 11 points
    Super lightweight - 8 points
    Lightweight - 6 points
    Super feather - 5 points
    Featherweight - 9 points
    Super bantam - 8 points
    Bantam - 7 points
    Super fly - 9 points
    Flyweight - 8 points
    Light fly - 7 points
    Straw - 4 points

    Cruiser, light heavy, middle and welterweight are the deepest by this rubric, in that order. I also happen to agree with that subjectively.

    Also, my p4p list would take some whittling down to reach 25 - my listings above included 32 boldfaced names. Seven would have to be on the bubble.
     
  2. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Next WBSS championships at LH, MW or WW would be a dream come true, indeed.
    But realistically it's more doable (more of the boxers willing) at Light Heavyweight, in my opinion.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    140lbs could absolutely blow up if Lomachenko, Linares, and Davis all end up jumping up in the next year. Plus, if Josh Taylor continues to string together dominant performances against improving competition he'll be knocking at the door of a p4p top 40 at least...and if & Sergey Lipinets, Regis Prograis & Ivan Baranchyk all break out at the same time..
     
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  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Cruiserweight and light heavyweight seem to have the most talent lately. It's a shame USTV boycotted WBSS, some really good fights there..............
     
  5. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    I like the superfly.
    Asia vs Latino
    Wangek, Inoue, Ancajas
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    Estrada, Cuadras, Gonzales.
    Fights according to order above.
     
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  6. Robney

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    Boxing has made quite a comeback after the lesser years where everybody complained about the quality.
    The WBSS, the Superfly and MW face-off's have put it back on the map for me, as well with a couple of willing heavyweights squaring off.

    Fun to see Cruiser as your #1 division IB. Try predicting that a decade ago, and you would be led to be burned at the stake by an angry mob, complete with torches and pitchforks.
     
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  7. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Yeah, cruiser would be my hot pick as well, but I confess I don't follow the lower divisions that much, so I may be biased in that way.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah but after that half a dozen (plus Yafai) there is a MASSIVE drop-off.

    Shame, because the winners of those fights deserve worthy challengers in the pipeline but they aren't there so all this buzz the division is receiving will fizzle when it ends up being a circle jerk of the same handful of guys recycled into different configurations or endless rematches.
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I do, and have always been a vocal supporter of the smaller divisions, and Cruiser is hands down better and deeper than anything on the southron half of the scale right now.
     
  10. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Light heavyweight
    Cruiserweight
    Middleweight
    Super flyweight
     
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  11. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Will they wake up and realize what they are missing next season?
     
  12. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    CW is the one, I think. SFW is incredible at the top but a little top heavy. MW has become quite deep out of nowhere too. LHW is ready to burst
     
  13. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Great to see CW finally getting acknowledged and it currently probably is the deepest division but it is about to have an exodus. Usyk will be gone win or lose after his next fiant and the same may go for Gassiev as well. Bredis may even be gone in a year as well plus Lebedev is on his way out despite being a champ in recess.
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Cruiserweight
    Light Heavyweight
    Middleweight
    Super Flyweight
     
  15. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    Was about to post this.
     
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