Are there any fighters in history you think could beat a prime Roy Jones?

guess so, kid.

 

flop, we dont.

 

1960s Ali was unbeatable. Lewis was chinnier than 1970s Ali. Lewis or Ali were good enough to beat each other depending on what versions we are talking about. I'd expect it to be a chess match that went to decision probably with no knockdowns. It probably wouldn't be the most entertaining fight ever but it would be evenly matched for sure.

 

Lewis isn't a pressure fighter, he needs his jab to catch Ali, and that isn't happening.

Norton is a crouching pressure fighter who excelled at cutting off runners and breaking down their bodies.

Norton also had the benefit of facing a declined Ali, including a very washed up version in their third meeting that I think quite a few fighters would have out pointed..though the judges calling it fair is another matter. On a fair scorecard, Wlad and Lewis would out point 76 Ali and bust him up really good.

 

I stand corrected
it doesn't detract from the point that Calzaghe waited until jones was dethroned and past prime before fighting him

 

Yeah, you were off by half a decade.

Neither man waited for anything. They were both past prime and 2008 was the only time both men were active in the same division at a time where a fight would make sense, and they negotiated without issue.

Nobody was crying for Calzaghe vs Jones in 96. Calzaghe was a nobody then without a title. Jones was already set to challenge McCallum at Light Heavy.

Calzaghe was looking for one last LHW defense and payday. His four most logical opponents: Hopkins & Pavlik and Dawson & Tarver were already set to face each other. And really Pavlik vs Calzaghe was the only fight that I recall having any buzz, but Pavlik leaving Middle to fight Calzaghe at LHW was unreasonable. This left Glen Johnson and Roy Jones Jr.

Johnson was cold and Jones Jr was on a hot well publicized comeback streak that guaranteed a PPV and big money.

 

I was thinking Hopkins with the age. he was somewhere around 44 when Calzaghe fought him
completely agree that "Calzaghe was a nobody" outside of Europe, this was my whole point debating with bailey

 

Wondered when you were going to openly admit the reason you wrote that post to Aussie was that you were trying to prove joe didnt wait for roy to age.

Calzaghe waited not for one, but two, to age, the evidence is crystal clear on his resume. He is the outstanding example of "waiting to age". I am unsure as to what decade you will acknowledge this though.

hopkins was still a good win mind you.

 

and besides as joe puts it in 2000 or thereabouts "I'm not chasing roy jones", his exact quoted words from his own mouth.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=b...AUIDCgD&biw=1525&bih=705#imgrc=A_NFtrtaHWDhfM:

 

Hopkins rejected a multi million dollar offer to fight Calzaghe in 2003.

I wont call it a duck since they werent in the same weight class, but you cant blame Calzaghe for the fight not happening.

When the situation was reversed Calzagje moved up without hestitation to face Hopkins. 44 year old Hopkins beat Tarver, Wright, and Pavlik in same time frame...thats 3 wins over p4p rated fighters.

 

Guys, be real. Prime RJJ absolutely wrecks in Calzaghe in 3rds or less. Stop this madness.

 

The reason I wrote him was to correct a staggering factual inaccuracy.

You have had this same argument on the forum at least 2000 times that I've noticed. You aren't going to hear anything new.

-Joe and Jones was never a talking point, they were both interested in their own divisions.

-The fights people wanted in the early 2000s were Calzaghe/Ottke, Calzaghe/Hopkins, Jones/Dariusz, & Jones/Hopkins II. Should be noted Jones rejected a fair 50/50 split with Hopkins.

-Hopkins rejected a multi-million dollar offer to move up and fight Calzaghe in 2003. In 2008, Calzaghe accepted an offer to move up and fight Hopkins.

I wouldn't call any of these ducks, being they were all in separate divisions and on hot streaks. But credit to Calzaghe for making the fights eventually happen by coming to the US and moving up in weight.

If they were active and champions in the same division, I would understand the argument, but they weren't. It should be noted no fighter missed out on more big fights in his own divisions than Jones Jr did in the 90s and early 00s.

 

"i'm not chasing roy jones(direct word of mouth quote)" - agreed calzaghe gleefully.

must be wierd trying to defend a guy who casually destorys the longwinded argument meant to save him, with just 6 words.

as for hopkins, he never once moved to SMW, so there is no indication he really wanted to fight there.

 

Because reading the English language isn't your strong suit. I recommend you read this sentence several times, take in all the words and think about what they mean; try not to let your mind wander into fantasy and get yourself lost before you finish the sentence.

Joe and Jones was never a talking point, they were both interested in their own divisions.

It's quite sad you consider one sentence long winded, but I'm not surprised.

Hopkins didn't have to move up & Calzaghe didn't have to move down. Hopkins curiously claimed the money wasn't good enough and went back on the deal, never making issue of the weight. Calzaghe did make the offer however, so placing blame on him is illogical.

When the situation was reversed, credit to Calzaghe for doing what Hopkins wouldn't in 2003.