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what did you think about the first fight? I cant be the only one who thought Ray whipped him

 

I completely respect your opinion. I think your a good poster here and many thanks about my integrity.

 

Ray was shot...but...still deadly in his late 50's MW campaign (let your 80's 'superboys' fight once a month for over a decade and see what their record would be). Eras aside, do you think boxing was invented in the 80's??? "Hearns at both weights tho"?? Oh jeez come on!

 

Hey man it's my opinion. Look at my posts in general b4 u start judging me not that I give a sh#t what u think. Hearns fits into any era

 

I think Sugar Ray should have won a close decision. He was scoring with his jab the whole fight but he did let Basillio inside too much. Robinson didnt have the mobility he once had. It was fight of the year I believe for 1957.
If that was one of Ali`s fights there is no way they would have taken it from the champ.

 

I think it's nigh on impossible to pick anyone over Robinson at WW. Honestly, the fighter I see as having the best chance of beating him is the other Sugar Ray.

Hearns would be too vulnerable and his height and reach advantages wouldn't be that great over Robinson. Robinson had a great chin and was arguably as good a puncher as Hearns at 147.

Napoles would be another possibility but I think he'd be overmatched physically. I'm not convinced anyone else deserves a mention. At the end of the day, Robinson beat two of the all-time top 10 welterweights in Armstrong and Gavilan so I don't see anyone else getting the better of him if those guys couldn't.

 

Wish I knew too. Especially since it was my character being attacked

 

I think you might be right, I point to the jab of Hopkins and how good he was at parrying opponents jabs like he did vs De La Hoya, La Motta out jabbed Ray for around 10 rounds of their last violent struggle so probably Hopkins could do the same, only thing is I Hopkins would land less because he wouldn`t throw as many as LaMotta another tactic that worked well against Ray was Jake getting low and slipping or riding shots while lowering his level again Hopkins is much more upright than Jake.

 

Basilio outpointed Kid Gavilan and I read the Ray struggled against Gavilan.

 

I don't believe Ruby if that is what he said.

 

Burt Beinstock's post was from 2015...

Years later at a boxing seminar in New England I and a few guys cornered Ruby Goldstein who once was a great LW punching prospect who was ruined by Ace Hudkins, then became a famous referee. I asked Ruby this question. "Ruby, who would have won in a bout between Harry Greb, and Ray Robinson ? Goldstein replied, "it would be like a man against a boy ". I said who was the man ? He replied Harry Greb...For what it's worth...

I would make Robinson a favorite as well, but Ruby's opinion since he saw both carries some weight, and should give people pause at automatically assuming Robinson was invincible.

 

How much of Greb did he really see though? He was born in 1907, and Greb's first fight was 1913, so he would've been 6. Greb's last fight in 26, Ruby would've been 19. I would submit that he wasn't as versed in boxing at that age, nor what to look for at that age.