Hasim Rahman & Oliver McCall vs Muhammad Ali 1967

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    The Rahman and McCall who stopped Lennox Lewis vs the Ali who beat up Terrell

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  2. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rahman and McCall both get totally clowned and owned by 1967 Ali. They may not win a single minute of the fight. McCall would lose by shutout. Rahman likely gets stopped in later rounds.
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Little rough on them don't you think? You can be nice and at least give them a 3 minute round.......

    or a participation trophy!
     
  4. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mismatches.

    Ali by easy UD over McCall and late rounds tko over Rahman.
     
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  5. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Harsh but true.
     
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  6. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    McCall and Rahman were well conditioned 230-240 pound men. 1967 Ali had never been in the ring with anybody that big, strong, and well conditioned. McCall and Rahman would have been much stronger and more dangerous than Folley, Mildenberger, Terrell, Patterson, Williams, etc. Ali always had the physical advantages in the 60s, against McCall and Rahman he wouldn't be the bigger, stronger fighter.
     
  7. Fergy

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    I kinda agree with this .These two guys were strong ,lot more than Say Patterson ,Folley etc.Ali would have had a harder time beating em no doubt. But I still have Muhammad running rings around them and out scoring them. They just wouldn't be as easy to defeat as say a Cooper .
     
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  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Hmmmm....something to consider here. Although, I think the issue is the gulf in speed and skill level here. I know that, at least, Patterson and Folley would have a decent chance in beating McCall and Rahman, even if they couldn't do it 10/10 times, they'd at least win a few and again because of skill differences. But yeah, Ali did have the physical advantages against his 60's opponents that he wouldn't have against Rahman or McCall. But he would have clearly superior speed and skill advantages.

    Remember, a prime McCall coming off a KO win against a prime Lewis (yes I know Lewis may have fallen asleep at the wheel in that fight) and struggled with a 45 year old Larry Holmes. If Holmes was 15 years younger, how do you believe McCall would've done? Even if Holmes was 3 years younger, the 42 year old who fought and beat Mercer and who fought Holyfield, how would McCall have done?

    And Holmes is a very relevant example because he's as close as you can get to Ali at heavyweight, stylistically, without actually talking about Ali.

    And while it may forever be debated if whether a 30 year old Holmes was better than a 25 year old Ali, what isn't in question is whether a 45 year old Holmes was better than a 25 year old Ali.
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    In order for me to believe that McCall would remotely pose a threat to a prime Ali he would've had to, at the very least been able to stop a 45 year old Larry Holmes. And unlike Foreman, who had nothing to do with Ali stylistically, Holmes was almost an Ali clone.
     
  10. BCS8

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    You'd have to favour Ali heavily because of his speed and skill. Nevertheless, I would hardly write either off. They were both hard hitting and durable (Rahman a bit less so) at their best and they had the power to switch of almost anybody's lights. Most likely is an Ali UD over both with a pssiility of a late KO in Rahman's case but ... they'd have a better chance than most of Ali's foes.
     
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  11. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Disagree.

    It's a pair of footwork fights. Hasim and Oliver aren't even close to Terrell in that department. Let alone Ali. And the prefight insults and taunting easily get to McCall.

    Ali will turn them all night and pepper away. Both Rahman and McCall will be off balance all night and especially trying to throw anything, and hitting, a moving target. They didn't do all that terrific against opponents right in front of them.
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Likely this