Canelo: "I watched the fight back. I won by 2 rounds"

Yep. More altitude training and less running backwards.

 

Canelo's semen.

 

He can train in altitude all he wants, he'll always gas. It's an issue of muscular fibers and body frame. It's too late to improve dramatically : he packs too much upper body muscles.

 

Surprise surprise Bod Boebbet refused to take any action whatsoever he just said "Adelaide Byrd is one of my best judges she just had a bad night" ROFLMAO You aint kidding Bob !! He's not corrupt is he??

 

Nothing could hit Canelo's career worse that his Macho outburst after the Khan fight threatening GGG only to turn tail; & meekly hand the WBC title back rather than back up his fake bravado
He made himself appear cowardly

 

Canelos own fans booed him in the ring !!!
Crooked Byrd and crooked trela robbed GGG of his signature win
Canelo won 4 rounds, maaaaaybe 5. 6? Out of the question.

 

LOL

 

I think I've seen maybe two examples of fighters admitting that they lost a fight the judges said that they won: James Toney admitted he lost to Tiberi and Manny Pacquiao stopped just shy of saying that Marquez won their third fight. But usually, if you get your hand raised, or even if you don't, fighters never admit they lost. Tim Bradley thinks that he beat Pacquiao fair and square. There's footage of Ali saying that the phantom punch was just too fast for people to see. Bunch of egotistical liars in this sport.

 

Lol canelos face before the scores were said out loud says it all until he heard the scores then his face soon changed just like wards did hearing the scores his been giving to many gifts his needed to much help in all his big fights to many holes in his resume

 

Dude--you just said here 10-2 comes off as bias??? You said that. So if that is the case, it is a very fair position that GGG has to have a T/KO to win to avoid bias judging.

 

I have watched the fight at real time speed twice. 8-4 GGG night of the fight, then 7-5 GGG the next day. The 7-5 scorecard I tried to score with as little bias as I could. I saw a much, much closer fight.

However, I am not going to go back and watch it again for the sake of this debate. I know what I saw and I consider myself a decent judge and I have been watching boxing for 35 years ( I am 48).

Here's what i will do--Let's assume @IsaL is correct. Lets assume that 1-3 were Canelo Rounds, 4-9 were GGG rounds, then 10-12 were Canelo. That is 6-6. A draw since there were no deductions of KDs.

In order now to score this fight 10-2, you have to go back to the rounds 4-9 and score 4 of those for Canelo. The only way you can do that is if you are bias toward one fighter. Forget styles.

And how can you claim to know what her bias was? Has she given an interview to explain her card? Please cite that. If not, then your opinion on what her bias was is just that. An opinion.

I have yet to see any reasonable Canelo fan or boxing fan in general defend that card. It wasnt even close. It was by no means a fair or objective card.

Now that we have such a wide, biased card, it is perfectly within reason to hold the position that GGG can not win on the cards, and he must win by T/KO.

 

are there any fighters who, prior to a much-hyped rematch, said that they lost the first fight?
he's hyping himself up for the rematch, nothing more

 

So lets go through these rounds shall we : rounds 4 and 5 were toss up rounds. I personally gave the 4th to Canelo and the 5th to Golovkin, however Canelo was winning the 5th in the first 2 minutes, then Golovkin landed that big right hand and finished the round strong. HBO had Canelo with a 4 / 5 punches landed advantage in the 5th. These are not rounds that Golovkin dominated by any stretch of the imagination. Then you have round 6. IB had Canelo winning round 6 and Canelo landed a big uppercut in the round which was the best punch of the round. That's another round that could be scored either way. Round 7 is a harder round to give to Canelo due to the amount of clean jabs landed by Golovkin, however Canelo finished the round strong with another big uppercut and several jabs of his own.

Round 8 This round saw Canelo landing another massive uppercut in the final minute, and a number of good right hands and several solid landed jabs (even though he laughably only got credit for 1 landed jab by Compubox lmao). This was another very close rounds that could be argued either way.

Round 9 was pretty close as well, Canelo started the round by landing several multi-punch combos inside. (just watch the first 30 seconds of the round) Both men started opening up, but Canelo had tight defense and was picking off most of Golovkin's shots and was still countering including a nice left hook with 1:47 left. Then with 1:37 left Canelo landed a good looping right hand! The rest of the round Golovkin spent chasing Canelo around the ring, landing some jabs but Canelo was mostly slipping and blocking and coming back with jabs of his own. Canelo had a nice combo with 15 seconds left in the round.

You've concluded that you can't reasonably find 4 of these rounds to give to Canelo? There's no doubt that Canelo landed the biggest punches in rounds 6,8,&9, and probably in round 7 as well. (round 7 though I think is still a Golovkin round due to the amount of clean jabs he landed) Byrd gave Canelo rounds 5,6,8 & 9. These were not dominate Golovkin rounds by any stretch, Canelo was landing the biggest most impressive punches, Golvokin was coming forward, Canelo was fighting off the backfoot setting traps. These are not easy rounds to score when you watch them back. I can understand you watching these rounds and seeing Golovkin pulling away down the stretch like in 8 and 9 by being more active, chasing Canelo etc but Golovkin wasn't landing the better punches. Canelo landed several combos of punches, an impressive left hook, a hard right etc in round 9 and Golovkin was just pressuring and chasing Canelo getting in a few more jabs. I understand your outrage by the Byrd card giving all those rounds to Canelo, but lets not act like there isn't an argument to be had that Canelo was winning those rounds. Being fair to Golovkin I tried to split some of these close rounds and give Golovkin credit for aggression and landing more jabs, but it's gotten hugely exaggerated to the extent that he won these rounds clearly. I was far more impressed with what Canelo was doing in these rounds and Golovkin was breathing really hard by round 9 as a result of getting hit with all these bombs.

It's not an opinion, it's a trend based on her scoring history. She has consistently over time shown a stylistic preference for counter punchers who land clean punches, who aren't the aggressor, who fight off the backfoot effectively. One such example of this is her having Hopkins over Calzaghe. She doesn't just give rounds to fighters for coming forward like many other judges.

lol well I've pointed out to you what happened in the rounds she gave to Canelo. Now what you're gonna say "shadow's defending Byrd OMG" lol look man I didn't have it 10-2 OK I think that's too wide but all I'm saying is the rounds she gave to Canelo are arguable as Canelo rounds. Lets put it this way, when I watched it I said to myself "the judges are probably going to give these rounds to Golovkin for his constant aggression" but personally I was more impressed by what Canelo was landing, the big punches, the bombs, and how Canelo was slipping and blocking most of Golovkin's stuff. But unlike Byrd, I tried to be fair to Golovkin and I can see these rounds scored either way depending on what you prefer.

I've tried to be as reasonable as I can pointing out how close these rounds were. If you refuse to be reasonable yourself in admitting how well Canelo was doing, that's on you.

That's an unreasonable position in my view because Dave Moretti had Golovkin winning lol, and another judge Trella had it a draw. So based on that, Golovkin was very close to winning, despite being outboxed in my opinion. That suggests that if Golovkin does even just a little bit better he could win a decision. And since presumably Byrd will not be judging the rematch, you're not going to have to worry about her. As a Canelo fan, despite the Golovkin stance on the judges, I know very well that a decision is no gimme and Canelo could even get robbed as a result of the Byrd backlash.

 

So he watched the fight wearing rose tinted glasses with the incomparable Adelaide Byrd whispering in his ear....surprised he had it that close.