Jorge Linares is not an elite fighter or an A level fighter. He's not even Shawn Porter Level.

Sugar 88 · Feb 7, 2018

Paranoid Android said: ↑

Go away. I'm trying to enjoy this IPA that neither you nor Beer Advocate has heard of while I listen to some Bon Iver on vinyl.
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Bon Iver? You're two thousand and late my friend. I'm bopping down to the Berghain later to listen to music the coolest person you've ever heard of has never heard of and i'll be doing it whilst wearing one of my many Linares is the GOAT t shirts.

lepinthehood · Feb 7, 2018

The Akbar One · Feb 7, 2018

OvidsExile said: ↑

Linares' skills are quite a bit beyond those of Porter's. He just doesn't have the physical tools to back up the skills. He has no chin, power, and his skin cuts too easily, but for pure boxing ability there are very few today who compare. It's a pretty big testament to his skill that he's managed to go 44-3 with almost no physical ability. Somehow, he even managed to win 11 title fights. That's almost beyond belief. You also can't say that he's never beaten anybody since he just recently beat Campbell and Crolla and he beat Oscar Larios back in the day. You can say he's never beaten anyone elite, but you could say similar things about Lomachenko and Crawford too. They've all basically been lords of ghost divisions. I guess there was a minute in 2010 where he could have fought Uchiyama or a brief period in 2014 when he and Terence Crawford were both in the same top ten division bracket. As of last year Mikey Garcia and Lomachenko are within reach so he'll probably fight one of them soon before he retires.
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Laughable that you try to equate Linares meager domestic level opposition, to that of Loma and Crawford. While both Loma and Crawford leave a bit to be desired as far as quality opposition, their best opponents are a level or two above Linares opposition.

Paranoid Android · Feb 7, 2018

Sugar 88 said: ↑

Bon Iver? You're two thousand and late my friend. I'm bopping down to the Berghain later to listen to music the coolest person you've ever heard of has never heard of and i'll be doing it whilst wearing one of my many Linares is the GOAT t shirts.
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You one of those Neu-Hipsters!

tinman · Feb 7, 2018

Braindamage said: ↑

Would you say the same about Loma? No doubt Loma is a very skilled technician, that lost to a guy far less skilled and far more crude than those that defeated Linares. What say you?
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Ehhh... I can see some similarities, but mostly differences. First, Linares has been stopped 3 times, Loma has never been stopped. Second, all of Linares' losses have been during his prime as a professional fighter. Maybe he was a tad green in his first KO loss, but still, he was an experienced champ during his KO losses. Lomachenko had a close decision loss in his 2nd pro fight. Which at the end of the day is far less relevant than a mid career loss.

tinman · Feb 7, 2018

Boxingfan200 said: ↑

linares is world class... you need your eyes checked if you think hes not that good.. even paquiao lost 2-3 fights to lower class fighters early in his career.
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Horrible comparison. Pacquiao was a teenager during his early losses. His only prime loss was to Erik Morales. An A+ level elite fighter.

Linares is losing to guys like Antonio DeMarco... FFS.

tinman · Feb 7, 2018

OvidsExile said: ↑

Linares' skills are quite a bit beyond those of Porter's. He just doesn't have the physical tools to back up the skills. He has no chin, power, and his skin cuts too easily, but for pure boxing ability there are very few today who compare. It's a pretty big testament to his skill that he's managed to go 44-3 with almost no physical ability. Somehow, he even managed to win 11 title fights. That's almost beyond belief. You also can't say that he's never beaten anybody since he just recently beat Campbell and Crolla and he beat Oscar Larios back in the day. You can say he's never beaten anyone elite, but you could say similar things about Lomachenko and Crawford too. They've all basically been lords of ghost divisions. I guess there was a minute in 2010 where he could have fought Uchiyama or a brief period in 2014 when he and Terence Crawford were both in the same top ten division bracket. As of last year Mikey Garcia and Lomachenko are within reach so he'll probably fight one of them soon before he retires.
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Well yea how can you be an A level or elite fighter with terrible physical tools? If you can't punch or take a punch at all then you cannot be an elite fighter. If your chin cracks that easily then what's so impressive about somebody cracking it? It's one thing to crack a chin like Miguel Cotto or Paul Williams for example, two guys with a pretty damn good chin. And it's another to crack a Jorge Linares chin.

tinman · Feb 7, 2018

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Hot take: Linares is a MUCH better p4p fighter than Porter, and if he could get Shawn to boil to 140lbs, I'd pick him to win h2h.

Or even a 143lb catchweight. Linares jumping all the way up to welter proper and facing an officially 147lb Porter (rehydrated to like cruiserweight) is probably asking too much of the Venezuelan Golden Boy.
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Porter is a better fighter p4p than Linares. I cannot imagine Porter losing to p4p equivalents of DeMarco, Salgado and Thompson. It's one thing to have KO losses against that level of competition. It's another to lose close UD's to pure world class fighters like Thurman and Brook. Like 99% of all WW's in history lose wide to Thurman and Brook.

Sugar 88 · Feb 7, 2018

tinman said: ↑

Well yea how can you be an A level or elite fighter with terrible physical tools? If you can't punch or take a punch at all then you cannot be an elite fighter. If your chin cracks that easily then what's so impressive about somebody cracking it? It's one thing to crack a chin like Miguel Cotto or Paul Williams for example, two guys with a pretty damn good chin. And it's another to crack a Jorge Linares chin.
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You act like styles don't make fights. If Maidana hadn't fought Khan and then had the same career he had - what would we all pick the outcome to be?

rodney · Feb 7, 2018

Zlaticanin destroys him.

northpaw · Feb 7, 2018

tinman said: ↑

He's the new Juan Manuel Marquez of boxing. A boxing hipster wet dream. Except he has no chin. There is nothing there on that mandible, but a big pile of glass. It might be worse than Amir Khan's because it's actually that bad.

He's never even had a bout with an elite fighter. And why is he being knocked out by guys like Salgado, Demarco and Thompson?

Contrast that to a guy like Shawn Porter who's never been knocked out. Only has 2 losses which were close fights to p4p level fighters. But because he fights in a relatively hard-nosed crude style of boxing he's not given the respect of a Linares.

Boxing hipsters are a weird bunch.
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I kinda, sorta actually understand what you're saying. An elite fighter should not be as fragile
as Linares is. His offensive skillset is elite, I don't think there should be a question about
that. He's beautiful offensively but the truth is, he really hasn't fought anyone that stylistically
can put it on him like the guys that gave him his Ls. Mikey and Loma are both hitters that are
equally as skilled or more, Easter, Ray Beltran and even Commey? are all stylistically the type
of guys that could take his offense and still detonate him like Demarco. A better comparison
would be Khan not Porter. It's kind of disrespectful to say "not even Porter's" level as
Porter only lost at the highest level of his division and gave very good accountings in
both fights.

tinman · Feb 7, 2018

northpaw said: ↑

I kinda, sorta actually understand what you're saying. An elite fighter should not be as fragile
as Linares is. His offensive skillset is elite, I don't think there should be a question about
that. He's beautiful offensively but the truth is, he really hasn't fought anyone that stylistically
can put it on him like the guys that gave him his Ls. Mikey and Loma are both hitters that are
equally as skilled or more, Easter, Ray Beltran and even Commey? are all stylistically the type
of guys that could take his offense and still detonate him like Demarco. A better comparison
would be Khan not Porter. It's kind of disrespectful to say "not even Porter's" level as
Porter only lost at the highest level of his division and gave very good accountings in
both fights.
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Well yes I agree. Shawn Porter is clearly a better fighter than Linares is.

navigator · Feb 7, 2018

tinman said: ↑

He's the new Juan Manuel Marquez of boxing.
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Putting Juan Manuel Marquez in a bag with Jorge Linares is doing Juan one heck of a disservice.

Other than that, I agree. I never got the hype with Linares, guy never looked like much more than a B fighter to me. Talented, but perceptibly limited. Granted, he's gone on to win titles at three weights, but so has Adrien Broner - that's not such a guaranteed badge of distinction in the modern sport.

Mikey and Loma both make mincemeat of him.

(Kellerman comparing him to Ray Robinson was laughable enough in 2011, but it's downright embarrassing to hear him still clinging to that conceit in 2018.)

chacal · Feb 7, 2018

I disagree.

mandatory · Feb 7, 2018

Boxing Hipster?? WTF

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