Is larry holmes jab overrated?

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For sure, but it's sure not foolproof. I don't so much mind the jab snapping up from the waist at times, what a weapon it can be. I don't like to see it hanging low coming back as a matter of course tho. Larry was tagged over that low left plenty of times and it's no secret he could be tagged by right hands at times. Tyson's carefully thought out game plan involved exploiting just this. Yes Larry was way past his best but it would have been Tyson's tactic at any point in Holmes career. Imo it was a Witherspoon right hand over a lazy jab that initially got Holmes into trouble.

Now against mere mortals it's not much of a liability as Larry has the chin, recuperative abilities, heart and class to prevail anyway as he always did. He was never going to be taken out by one punch. ATG vs ATG however it would become a lot more dangerous. Sharp shooters like Tyson and Louis who not only had the speed and class to make this dangerous but also the finishing ability to make it potentially a game changer. Ali too pre-exile was lightning at throwing laser like right hands over opponents jabs.

It's easily a top 5 Heavyweight jab tho and you can argue it quite highly. I like Ali's myself and wouldn't put a great deal between Holmes and Liston.

 

No ,I think its the best I have seen among the heavies.Lewis pawed with his quite a bit,next to Larry's I would put Liston's,and Louis' .Carl Williams and Pinklon Thomas had fine jabs too.

 

Larry was always susceptible to right hands because of this inclination.

 

Liston for power, Ali for speed, Holmes jab overall. If it hasn't been bettered, I can't see how it could be overrated. Just my opinion. Good thread, though.

 

For sure Mac.

 

Just come out and say it, you can't accept that Greg Page never fought Holmes and spend time here picking at Holmes game. The video I posted towers over any point you can make on this topic.

Quick Fact. Ali kicked Holmes out of his camp in the mid 1970's because Holmes was too fast for him and Ali's jab was still a good one. A good question to ask is When would Holmes beat Ali? As early as the Jimmy Young fight? Or Ron Lyle fight, two that out jabbed Ali. Lyle was ahead on points before landing a big right late. Young likely should have won a points victory over Ali, and certainly out jabbed him so I think a young Holmes could do the same. Likely to beat Ali by 1976, perhaps by 1975

Ali dropped his jab and was tagged by his share too. Hit more often vs. a lower grade of opponents in my opinion and out boxed/lost more rounds to lesser types in comparison to Holmes.

PS: Didn't you say you were not replying back to my posts? Boxed in a bit on that comment, you are.

 

Larry Holmes made 19 Title defenses and didn't have the advantage's
of other long term HW Champions who made multiple defenses.
Joe Louis had devastating power to bail him out and Wladmir
Klitschko had size and power.
On that basis LH jab was not overrated. It was one of the best a educated
jab used as a offensive and defensive weapon to defeat a diversity of
fighters.

 

Quick fact, Holmes made the decision to leave not Ali. Larry gave an interview in which he discussed his fear of being labelled a sparring partner for good.I've seen it.

 

Ali didn't, "drop his jab " the problem was, against other strong jabbers such as Norton his defending hand ,his right would be out of position when he threw his jab. ie too far away to the right of his body.Futch schooled Norton to jab when Ali did because Norton's defencive hand would be in the correct position to block or parry the other jab.

 

Wrong assumptions.

I was at some of those early Holmes fights. He fought nobodies until he took on Shavers. 3rd raters and not even live bodies. He actually fought on the undercard of the Ali/Young fight. Hell, Jimmy Young wanted a Holmes fight back then and could not get one.

The other big factor is how hard it was to win a decision over Ali back then. Larry has to win 10 or 11 rounds to have any chance at a split decision victory. Follow the money and you see just who wins decisions. And in 1975 and 1976 it sure wasn't Holmes.

As for the ran out of camp story, like mentioned above Larry left. A smart thing to do. And should we also subtract from Holmes because he was run out of the Frazier camp? Or the Bobick dq in the Olympics? Or the bad ko losses prior to the Bobick fight?

 

I see some mentioning Lennox Lewis`s jab in the same breath as Holmes. That's just wrong on every level. His jab isn't in the same ballpark as Larry Holmes, not the same city or the same state.

 

Ali had also slowed a fair bit after exile too.

 

Yet another agenda laden lie exposed!!! Nice work.

 

You are a rubbish lying agenda laden poster who i would never waste my time getting into lengthy debate with. Even in this short post above you've been caught out lying thru your teeth yet again.

What is your obsession with Greg Page?

I see in the SRL weakness thread you put this forward - "Perhaps he wasn't a good thinker in the ring, and despite his enormous physical gifts didn't believe in himself as much as he should have."

Why would i bother interacting with such a dksab wannabe? Leonard not a good thinker in the ring lacking some self belief

Years ago you were running around sprouting Pavlik as the next big thing. Nek minnut HOPKINS!!!!

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