Doing a Jeff Lacey

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  1. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He wasn’t very popular which most boxers aren’t in America....however, he was highly touted as a top fighter in the sport by most in the boxing establishment. Just like Gamboa and David Reed. All 3 of them got hype that they failed to live up to
     
  2. JohnnyDrama99

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    Joe merely exposed the hype of Lacy who was never really tested against top tier guys. It was hard because he was fighting in a very weak division and knocking out the crop of opposition that was available. Joe was the only elite boxer operating in the weight class at the time but the US boxing fans were high on Left hook because we didn’t have anyone to get excited about at 168 at that time
     
  3. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    That is a very problematic statement considering that America has more popular fighters at the time than all of the planet combine. This was 2006 we are talking here. America had:
    Roy Jones Jr.
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Shane Mosley
    Fernando Vargas
    Zab Judah
    Winky Wright
    Jermaine Taylor
    Bernard Hopkins
    James Toney
    Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    Rocky Juarez

    I'm not trying to turn this into a nationalistic thing but these are some of the biggest names in the business and you would be hard pressed to name some English counterparts to rival this list for that year alone. So in this mix WHO IS JEFF LACY TO ANYONE BUT THE BRITS?!!!
     
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  4. FrankinDallas

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    I coined this term first but someone else lays claim to it: he as "Lacyfied" . Similar to being knocked into Bolivian, but worse.
     
  5. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree with the sentiment of this thread. Lacy is a creation of the Brits and their media.

    he looked the part of a good villain for them - a mountain of muscle, shocking power in his left hook, hardened murderous looking face....perfect foil for Joe Calzaghe in front of 70k rabid fans.

    In truth, Lacey was merely a solid prospect. Outstanding left hook but no other elite physical or skillful traits. Too short and stocky to have amounted to much at 168lbs. Just the wrong build entirely.

    But, of course, the english have built up his legend to a first ballot hall of famer.
     
  6. chitownfightfan

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    Lemiuex has been managed/trained worse than I can recall.
    Allowed by his mgmt to fight an iron chinned power house top 10 with huge experience, then allowed to go pitbull on him by his trainer.
    Sent in with another top veteran and held back from punching.

    Rebuilt well, then fed to GGG as a sacrifice to keep Golovkin from goading GBP and Alvarez for cowardice.

    Again, rebuilt well, then sent in against a style he couldn't possibly be expected to beat, even without the injury.

    I suppose he'll be rebuilt vs Lee, Khyrtov and Murata, then fed to Spence at some point
     
  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    And calzaghe kicked those gates down
     
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  8. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Recall he even lost to shot to **** Jermaine Taylor. Yet Slappy Calsacky fans tout the Lacy win as something huge. A Lacy with a shredded shoulder, so he could no longer even be called Left Hook, isn't a very prestigious scalp, but White Rhino Joe, definitely slapped the **** out of him for 12 rounds. Not sure I've ever seen somebody look slap drunk.
     
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  9. KingFury64

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    Don`t remember many Americans calling Lacy a "gatekeeper" before the Calzaghe fight. Virtually all of them were saying he was the next boxing superstar. About 90% of this board was predicting Calzaghe`s destruction. The day after the fight they were all MIA! Suddenly Lacy was "green" "never really taht good" etc It was hysterical. lol
     
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  10. JohnnyDrama99

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    Out of all those names, Oscar was the only big cross over star. He was the only boxer who was well known in America outside of just the sport of boxing. Even guys like Manny Pacquiao, Roy Jones, Miguel Cotto and Mayweather at that time were not big names outside of the sport.

    If we talk about popularity amongst the world of Boxing which has been a niche sport for the last 25+ years, the list you provided has validity if we are keeping the context of the very small world of Boxing.

    In 2003, 2004 and 2005 Lacy was considered one of boxing's most promising fighters and built a very strong reputation as a young American IBF super middleweight champion who was going to be the next big thing....before he met Joe of course.

    There weren’t many top English boxers in 2004, 2005 or 2006. America was still the dominant force at that time. There wasn’t a shift seeing more top boxers from Eastern Europe or the UK like we see now. But Joe C was the main English boxer who was considered the best across the pond and the best at 168. Jeff was supposed to be the one to take his title although I didn’t believe Lacy’s hype. I thought Joe was the better boxer and thought he’d win but not in that way. I thought Jeff was going to make it a competitive fight.
     
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  11. JohnnyDrama99

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    No one was calling Lacy a gatekeeper at that time. By all accounts, Lacy was positioned as the American 168 world champion that would beat Joe and hand him his first defeat. He wasn’t considered a gatekeeper until after he lost to Taylor and didn’t look as ferocious in his fights after his one sided loss to Calzaghe.
     
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  12. stiflers mum

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    And fighting Tsypko with a torn rotator cuff next fight completely ruined him.
     
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  13. JohnnyDrama99

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    He lost to Jermaine almost 3 years after being completely dominated and outclassed by Joe. And he was never the same after that one sided beat down. He did win 3 fights in a row after losing to Joe and then Jermaine handed him his 2nd loss. But in those 3 wins, Lacy didn’t look like the beast that had racked up 20 wins, 18 by knockout immediately before his fight with Calzaghe. In retrospect, Lacy was extremely overhyped and not as good as most in Boxing thought. But at the time....he was considered a top young word champion who was supposed to be the next big name and Joe was supposed to take him to that next level.
     
  14. Serge

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    Lacy wasn't as good as the hype, but he wasn't anywhere near as bad as many will have you believe prior to Calzaghe beating the Jesus out of him for 12 rounds and suffering a really bad rotator cuff injury in his comeback fight.

    ROY JONES JR
    Lacy wins, and I'll tell you why. One of the main factors that would lead to a Lacy win is Calzaghe's heart.

    I'm not saying Calzaghe dosen't have heart, I'm saying he has too much!

    When Lacy nails Calzaghe and hurts him then Joe will try to get payback, and then he will be open to really get hurt - which he will.


    JAMES TONEY
    Joe Calzaghe-Jeff Lacy is a mismatch. Lacy is going to destroy that boy. He's too strong, he's a fighter - he's proved himself.

    Calzaghe never did anything. He beat Chris Eubank nine years ago, but what has he done since then? He's a joke, that's why he keeps pulling out of fights.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out of this one. Everybody in the UK is over-protected, but Lacy will be OK, because he's a fighter.


    NIGEL BENN
    I remember seeing Lacy a while back on Joe's undercard and I wasn't impressed, wasn't impressed. But he seems to of really knuckled down and improved since then.

    I saw him fight Robin Reid and I was impressed, he looked good and he'll give Joe some stick. I reckon both guys will take abit of stick.

    Lacy seems to like to maraud forward and Joe has always thrown a lot of leather. I reckon they'll both take some stick but you have to go with Joe, he has that killer instinct and fast punches to get the job done but he'll take some stick man, take some stick.


    ROBIN REID
    Make no mistake about it - three, five, eight or 10 years ago and Calzaghe would of overcome a Jeff Lacy. I really think Calzaghe of years gone by was too strong, too fast and too flashy for Jeff.

    But I'm definately predicting a Lacy win now. Calzaghe's chin is not as strong as it once was due to wars against Eubank, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell, Salem and so on.

    Also, the main factor is that Joe's left hand is very prone to injury and he'll need to hit Jeff as hard as he can to keep him off him.

    I think Calzaghe may injure his hand during the fight and get ruthlessly stopped in the mid-rounds by Jeff Lacy. Fight over.


    MIKKEL KESSLER
    I predict it will be an excellent match but if the fight goes past six rounds Joe Calzaghe will be victorious.

    Whilst Lacy has obvious power I think Joe has too much experience and too much boxing ability for him.

    If Calzaghe stays away from the obvious power of Lacy early on he will come out victorious.


    RICHIE WOODHALL
    My money's on Joe but I would have preferred this fight to have come five years sooner.

    Joe's on home soil and, although it's great when the crowd's behind you, they can spur you on and force you into boxing the wrong style.

    If he stands and fights with Lacy, Joe will come unstuck because Lacy's got a lot of power and is the best short-range fighter in the division.

    But Joe will show intelligence and keep it mid-to-long range. I think he'll box cleverly on the back foot and win on points.


    CARL FROCH
    I think Calzaghe's left it a couple of years too late. Two years ago he would have beaten Lacy on points.

    But he doesn't look as sharp and tough as he used to, and I think Lacy will get him out of there within the distance.

    The last few fights Calzaghe's hit the deck a couple of times and that shows a bit of vulnerability.

    I've got a feeling Calzaghe will make the mistake of being drawn into a fight, because he's a proud man. He'll come unstuck, because Lacy is a big puncher.


    STEVE BUNCE
    Calzaghe will win it. Lacy hasn't beaten anybody who's been anywhere near their best.

    He's the American idol but he's really not that special. Hopefully Joe has enough left and has not left it too late for the big fight.


    CLINTON WOODS
    Calzaghe may have a few sticky moments early on if Lacy comes out banging but Joe is strong enough to deal with it.

    I can then see him winning it late on and stopping Lacy, maybe in the eighth or ninth round.

    I hope he does it, it's great for us British fighters to show the Amercians what we can do.


    FRANK MALONEY
    It will be a tough fight for Joe and I can see it being very close.

    It could go to points but I think having that crowd behind him in Manchester will play a big factor and give him the edge.


    FREDDIE ROACH
    Lacy is too strong for Calzaghe. It will not go the distance.

    I see Lacy ending it in the later rounds, possibly by the 10th.


    JEFF FENECH
    I don't see how Calzaghe can keep Lacy off of him.

    I wouldn't be surprised by a knockout, but I think it will probably be by a dominant unanimous decision.


    Glenn Catley, who Calzaghe beat in the 1992 ABA final, is going for a Lacy win.

    Chris Sanigar, who's fighters Joe beat in successive ABA finals (Catley in 92 and Darren Dorrington in 1993), predicts that Calzaghe will win.

    Here's what ESB's greatest poster John Garfield had to say about Lacy (RIP).

    Originally Posted by John Garfield

    Lacy had me believing, and I've watched a zillion fighters train since the '40s. He was wrecking big heavyweights sparring. Trainers needed extra padding to do mits; 'n even then, he dislocated elbows.

    Lacy was a legit bomber, A. He may've been ponderous 'n predictable, but he had HEAVY HEAVY hands.

    I Watched him in the gym, when he first came to L.A.

    No super middle, no one, would spar with him -- was flattening cruiserweights. Freddie Roach had to get braces for his elbows when he worked pads with him.

    The only other time I'd seen that happen was when Freddie worked with Tyson.

    Everyone in the gym was convinced he was the goods. Even James Toney, who throws compliments around like manhole covers, said, "Lacy's the man when I'm not here''
     
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  15. OpinionOfACasual

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    It was the whole media build up that gave the outcome of the fight more limelight than it would have normally.

    The US media simply expected that a B grade US fighter would be too much to handle for any British fighter......Clearly they were wrong.

    The bias still exists these days, everytime a UK fighter, tipped to do well on the world scene, loses, he's labelled a 'British Hype job'.....When in reality, his nationality is completely irrelevant, as demonstrated by Lacey.