Are there any fighters in history you think could beat a prime Roy Jones?

there is no point debating with a man who says calzaghe was chasing jones when he knows the words "i'm not chasing roy jones" came straight from calzaghe's mouth.

He will just keep lying, thats why hes called Failey on here.

 

Be your own man. You don't have to defend these guy's posts and more importantly, I'm not going to respond to your defenses of other people's words, especially when you are having a hard enough time with your own. That's stupid as hell.

 

bailey,

I think Toney was a more skilled fighter.

I wouldn't say that Tarver was the very best guy that Roy ever fought. Although even if he was, it doesn't matter. Because he beat him clearly in their first fight while he was depleted.

Roy didn't beat Bernard at LHW, because in 2010, he was just a shell of the guy he'd been in his prime.

Well you're the only person who I've spoken to, who believes that Glen would always have beaten Roy at LHW.

You're always quick to tell us that Dariusz was faded against Gonzalez and Tiozzo.

You're always quick to tell us how faded Kessler and Froch were against Ward.

Yet you won't ever acknowledge that Roy was faded when he fought Glen and Joe.

You have no credibility in these types of debates.

Stop being silly.

Roy was no longer a top level fighter at that point.

How can you ignore Joe's comments regarding his opinion of where Roy was at that point?

Why don't you ever acknowledge them?

 

He was never a viable option.

Get real.

The best fighter in the world was never going to drop down in weight and fly to Britain, to fight a relatively unknown WBO belt holder. And Joe knew that, which is why he made the fake call outs. It may have fooled the Sun reading casuals, but he wasn't fooling anyone else.

It would have been akin to Floyd Mayweather dropping a weight division and flying to Manchester to fight Hatton in the early 00's.

It was a joke.

Go and find me a genuine link where Joe was prepared to fight Roy at LHW in the U.S.

 

What does the above have to do with what I wrote?

You're not even reading the posts.

When I mentioned Dariusz going on to fight B and C class fighters, I was obviously referring to: Lakatos, King, Hall and Harmon.

 

A week before Roy fought Enzo, he said:

"Offensively, I'm as good as I've ever been. I'm just as fast. But defensively, not so much"

Fighters are the last ones to admit when they're through.

You really shouldn't need this explaining to you.

 

No. What you mean, is that you can't answer his points.

 

He was obviously referring to fights against Floyd and Manny, fights that he'd never have gotten had he have stayed with Frank.

 

It's an open debate, and you can't give him a real answer.

You are solely fixated on the Hopkins fight.

I'm having a hard enough time with my own defense?

Please!

 

I used to do a lot of things.

It depends who I'm debating with, and what context has been used.

 

No, they are not.

Calzaghe didn't move to LHW until he had a title opportunity against a Man he was favored to beat.
McCallum didn't move to MW until he had a title opportunity against a Man he was favored to beat.

The difference is I will acknowledge this as perfectly reasonable moves, while you go out of your way to condemn Calzaghe while polishing McCallum, often for doing the same thing.

"Mike didn't wait him(Hagler) out. They were just at different points of their careers that's all"

"There's circumstances why he(Mike) didn't move up to MW earlier."

"I've already explained to you that he wanted to move up earlier. But he(Mike) thought that holding a JMW title would give him more exposure in the hope of landing a huge fight in the future."

Like I said...biased.

Not until he lost his 0 and was left without a title or a very successful career from a financial stand point. Of course he had to continue his career until his advanced years and take more risks after that.

You know very well Jones Jr took criticism for not getting into the MW mix with Collins, Kalambay, McCallum, Reggie, Jackson, and G-Man.

And you know very well, who gets the blame for that.

Why?

The only big fight in the division was Jones and he moved to HW in 03 and teased he might stay there, Tarver was his mandatory if he decided to come back. And when they did fight, it resulted in a mandated rematch that saw Jones get demolished.

Cazlaghe ran up his defenses, mended his hand injuries, and got his unification opportunity when Ottke retired. Lacey and Kessler were undefeated Champions with network interest. LHW had Glen Johnson and Tarver, who weren't exactly big earners. There wasn't a demanding reason to move up until Hopkins beat Tarver and Jones announced his comeback.

Not saying Joe couldn't have moved up, but I don't see a strong enough case for him having to.

You are on the wrong side of history then. The days of hoping Golovkin will be a Pavlik or Taylor hype job splash in the pan are long past, he's in the same company with Monzon, Hagler, and Hopkins.

 

No, he can't give me an answer. And I don't need your reinterpretation of his words to answer for me. Handle your own posts. Sticking up for these clowns aren't doing you any favors.

 

He was closer to the end of his career, obviously because he chose to retire directly afterwards.

Your statement means nothing.

Joe was obviously closer to his best than Roy was.

Why do you keep asking for people to list the names of the SMW's Joe should have gone to America to face?

We both know that when people say that Joe should have fought in the U.S. they're clearly referring to where he should have targeted better fights up at LHW.